1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,000 2 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:10,439 Good afternoon and welcome to the 3 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:12,494 Campaign of Learning warfighter Talk 4 00:00:12,494 --> 00:00:14,383 hosted by DLA Director Lieutenant 5 00:00:14,383 --> 00:00:16,309 General Mark Simmerly . A special 6 00:00:16,309 --> 00:00:18,476 welcome to the members of the DLA team 7 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:20,629 who are watching remotely . I'm Jake 8 00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:22,670 Boyer from Public Affairs , your MC 9 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:26,030 today . Retired Lieutenant General John 10 00:00:26,030 --> 00:00:28,510 Cooper served 35 years in the US Air 11 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:30,790 Force with his final assignment as the 12 00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:32,568 ranking general for logistics , 13 00:00:32,709 --> 00:00:34,820 engineering , and force protection at 14 00:00:34,820 --> 00:00:36,950 the Pentagon . There he oversaw and 15 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:39,750 approved all policy and built budgets 16 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:41,917 for logistics , aircraft maintenance , 17 00:00:41,917 --> 00:00:44,083 and supply chain management across the 18 00:00:44,083 --> 00:00:46,250 Air Force . He is a career logistician 19 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:48,028 who has commanded 2 maintenance 20 00:00:48,028 --> 00:00:50,250 squadrons , 1 maintenance group , and 1 21 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:52,580 maintenance wing . General Cooper has 22 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:54,802 also held a variety of staff leadership 23 00:00:54,802 --> 00:00:56,969 positions and has been the director of 24 00:00:56,969 --> 00:00:59,349 logistics for 3 separate major commands 25 00:00:59,349 --> 00:01:01,349 and for headquarters US Air Force . 26 00:01:01,709 --> 00:01:03,653 Prior to that assignment , General 27 00:01:03,653 --> 00:01:05,820 Cooper was the Director of Logistics , 28 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:08,139 Headquarters Air Combat Command . I 29 00:01:08,139 --> 00:01:10,028 would now like to welcome General 30 00:01:10,028 --> 00:01:11,750 Simmerly for opening remarks . 31 00:01:16,029 --> 00:01:17,918 Good morning everybody . Please . 32 00:01:27,069 --> 00:01:29,500 So good morning everybody . How's 33 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:32,919 morale today ? Hey , mine is sky high , 34 00:01:33,019 --> 00:01:35,075 uh , because of this event and , and 35 00:01:35,075 --> 00:01:37,075 everybody's interest in it . I know 36 00:01:37,075 --> 00:01:39,186 we've got about 27 other sites logged 37 00:01:39,186 --> 00:01:41,241 in as well for this discussion , and 38 00:01:41,241 --> 00:01:43,408 it's really kind of a momentous , uh , 39 00:01:43,408 --> 00:01:45,519 warfighter talk for several reasons , 40 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:47,686 one of which is it was a year ago this 41 00:01:47,686 --> 00:01:49,852 month that we had our first one . When 42 00:01:49,852 --> 00:01:51,908 General Paul Selva , uh , the former 43 00:01:51,908 --> 00:01:54,130 vice chairman of the Joint Staff , came 44 00:01:54,130 --> 00:01:56,650 and spoke to us , and we've had 10 45 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:59,230 other speakers , including today , 46 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:01,690 since then , uh , in this warfighter 47 00:02:01,690 --> 00:02:04,290 series . So I want to thank the J3 team 48 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:06,457 who's been the coordinator and all the 49 00:02:06,457 --> 00:02:08,710 other folks assisting in these visits . 50 00:02:09,410 --> 00:02:11,243 I think each one has been really 51 00:02:11,243 --> 00:02:13,929 insightful and has helped us understand 52 00:02:13,929 --> 00:02:16,410 better what we have to do from a 53 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:18,949 warfighter's perspective . To support 54 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:21,690 the fight in this changing environment , 55 00:02:22,270 --> 00:02:24,889 understanding the pace of operations , 56 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:27,949 understanding what's changing about the 57 00:02:27,949 --> 00:02:30,410 character of warfare . And 58 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:32,577 understanding what's changing in terms 59 00:02:32,577 --> 00:02:34,770 of our opportunities to get better to 60 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:37,610 support that future fight . Now you 61 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:39,580 heard the introduction of General 62 00:02:39,580 --> 00:02:42,619 Cooper , really an amazing record of 63 00:02:42,619 --> 00:02:44,740 military service , especially as a 64 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:46,740 logistician . You know , one of the 65 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:48,629 things that I first learned about 66 00:02:48,629 --> 00:02:51,460 General Cooper were his his logistics 67 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:54,779 troops . So back in 2015 , he published 68 00:02:54,779 --> 00:02:57,690 an article on six logistics troops , 69 00:02:58,059 --> 00:03:01,460 really enduring thoughts about what it 70 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:04,619 takes to anticipate requirements and to 71 00:03:04,619 --> 00:03:07,990 sustain . Now you may know that we 72 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:10,309 recently published an updated version 73 00:03:10,309 --> 00:03:13,720 on that based upon our understanding of 74 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,410 the the the changing character of war 75 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:19,521 and our requirements and our 76 00:03:19,521 --> 00:03:21,632 responsibilities as a way to describe 77 00:03:21,632 --> 00:03:23,743 what it is we have to do different to 78 00:03:23,743 --> 00:03:25,910 be ready for that fight . We call them 79 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:28,132 the six contested logistics truths as a 80 00:03:28,132 --> 00:03:30,188 way of updating them , but I have to 81 00:03:30,188 --> 00:03:32,299 tell you . In no way do those replace 82 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:33,854 the enduring truths that he 83 00:03:33,854 --> 00:03:35,910 communicated and established back in 84 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:39,110 2015 . Visionary thought leader . We're 85 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:41,277 really fortunate to have him come here 86 00:03:41,277 --> 00:03:43,443 today , and I will tell you that since 87 00:03:43,443 --> 00:03:45,388 he retired in 2018 , he has stayed 88 00:03:45,388 --> 00:03:48,649 connected . He has stayed engaged , and 89 00:03:48,649 --> 00:03:50,760 especially his insights from industry 90 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,449 are going to be really powerful for us 91 00:03:53,449 --> 00:03:55,779 today . So please join me in welcoming 92 00:03:55,779 --> 00:03:56,779 General Cooper . 93 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,169 Thanks , Emily . Is this mic working ? 94 00:04:05,830 --> 00:04:06,997 OK , great , great . 95 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:13,009 W . I gotta tell you my muscle memory 96 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:14,898 is a little , uh , needs a little 97 00:04:14,898 --> 00:04:17,009 tweaking here . I haven't , I haven't 98 00:04:17,009 --> 00:04:19,009 really spoken much in public , uh , 99 00:04:19,009 --> 00:04:21,009 since I retired about 8 years ago , 100 00:04:21,009 --> 00:04:23,065 about once a year maybe . I spoke at 101 00:04:23,065 --> 00:04:25,398 the DOD maintenance symposium last year . 102 00:04:25,398 --> 00:04:27,342 We spoke about that , uh , but not 103 00:04:27,342 --> 00:04:29,565 really that often . So , uh , you , you 104 00:04:29,565 --> 00:04:29,410 can forgive me please if I stumble a 105 00:04:29,410 --> 00:04:31,850 little bit . I did get a chance right 106 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:34,017 before Christmas to speak to my , uh , 107 00:04:34,017 --> 00:04:36,890 my grandson's 1 , 1st grade class . He 108 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:39,380 invited me in , about 40 kids . And we 109 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:41,602 were speaking . He asked me , he said , 110 00:04:41,602 --> 00:04:43,602 Pop Pop , can you come in and , and 111 00:04:43,602 --> 00:04:45,739 talk to the , uh , to my , my friends 112 00:04:45,739 --> 00:04:47,850 about the important things you did in 113 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:49,795 the Air Force . So I said , I sure 114 00:04:49,795 --> 00:04:49,779 would . I got all dressed up , showed 115 00:04:49,779 --> 00:04:51,980 up , and sure enough , the , the kids 116 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:54,313 were all there assembled , sitting down , 117 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:56,364 uh , but they're a little unruly , 118 00:04:56,364 --> 00:04:58,476 didn't really know how to do it . I'm 119 00:04:58,476 --> 00:05:00,698 not in uniform anymore , so I kind of , 120 00:05:00,698 --> 00:05:00,220 just kind of wanted to set it out 121 00:05:00,220 --> 00:05:02,276 straight and I said , hey children , 122 00:05:02,276 --> 00:05:04,109 look , I'm gonna tell you really 123 00:05:04,109 --> 00:05:06,331 important things about how , what I did 124 00:05:06,331 --> 00:05:08,559 for America . And my job is to tell you 125 00:05:08,559 --> 00:05:11,070 that , and your job is to listen . So I 126 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:14,640 started my , my . My audaciously 127 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,679 well-made speech about all the 128 00:05:17,679 --> 00:05:19,901 important magnanimous things that I did 129 00:05:19,901 --> 00:05:22,123 for the United States of America and 30 130 00:05:22,123 --> 00:05:24,130 seconds in . A little girl , cutest 131 00:05:24,130 --> 00:05:26,463 button with ponytails and a plaid shirt , 132 00:05:26,463 --> 00:05:28,519 raised her , her hand , and I said , 133 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:30,574 Well , I didn't know , I didn't know 134 00:05:30,574 --> 00:05:30,049 what to do . I mean , who , who , who 135 00:05:30,049 --> 00:05:33,089 interrupts a three star , right ? So , 136 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:35,457 and I wasn't in uniform , but you know 137 00:05:35,457 --> 00:05:37,568 they all knew , so I , I , I said , I 138 00:05:37,568 --> 00:05:39,846 didn't know what to , what can I , can , 139 00:05:39,846 --> 00:05:42,123 can I help you , young lady ? She said , 140 00:05:42,123 --> 00:05:41,529 Well , if we're done with our part 141 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:43,751 before you're done with your part , can 142 00:05:43,751 --> 00:05:46,880 we go to recess ? So I know I we 143 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,769 scheduled this right before DLA's 144 00:05:48,769 --> 00:05:50,880 recess . So if you get a little , you 145 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,936 know , tired or whatever , you gotta 146 00:05:52,936 --> 00:05:55,047 get out of here , please do . General 147 00:05:55,047 --> 00:05:57,324 Summerly , Mr . Bunn , General Sanford , 148 00:05:57,324 --> 00:05:57,200 thanks so much for , uh , for inviting 149 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,279 me here to , uh , to share some 150 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,501 observations , uh , uh , and thoughts , 151 00:06:01,559 --> 00:06:03,670 uh , here for a little bit warfighter 152 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:05,837 talk in the warfighter , uh , series . 153 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:08,190 Um , been , been retired for a little 154 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:10,357 bit , uh , but I , I do stay connected 155 00:06:10,357 --> 00:06:12,579 with colleagues and friends . There's a 156 00:06:12,579 --> 00:06:12,320 couple in the audience . I'm , I'm 157 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,542 noticing some , some , uh , some people 158 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:16,709 here , so it's good to see everybody . 159 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:18,931 Uh , I don't , I'm professionally , I'm 160 00:06:18,931 --> 00:06:20,987 in industry . Uh , I come in peace . 161 00:06:20,987 --> 00:06:23,209 I'm not talking , I'm not talking about 162 00:06:23,209 --> 00:06:25,376 industry today , but I'm talking about 163 00:06:25,376 --> 00:06:24,390 just a gray beard and a couple of 164 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:26,446 observations that , that , that I've 165 00:06:26,446 --> 00:06:29,549 seen . One , a lesson learned , uh , 166 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:31,892 that I experienced , uh , in my staff , 167 00:06:32,109 --> 00:06:34,429 uh , uh , previously , and then one an 168 00:06:34,429 --> 00:06:36,750 idea , uh , going forward . Uh , just a 169 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:38,917 short discussion and then we'll , uh , 170 00:06:38,917 --> 00:06:41,028 we'll take questions . Uh , I wanna . 171 00:06:41,028 --> 00:06:43,194 Uh , say thank you to everybody here , 172 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:45,350 uh , for it in on site here at the 27 173 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:47,406 locations around DLA that are , that 174 00:06:47,406 --> 00:06:49,628 are joining . Uh , it's humbling for me 175 00:06:49,628 --> 00:06:51,683 to be , uh , be on stage and talk to 176 00:06:51,683 --> 00:06:53,850 you . So , I titled this Strengthening 177 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:55,961 the team in the offseason with , with 178 00:06:55,961 --> 00:06:58,128 quotations . It's kind of a parody . I 179 00:06:58,128 --> 00:07:00,128 mean , winners are an off-station , 180 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:02,350 winners are an offseason in logistics , 181 00:07:02,350 --> 00:07:04,572 right ? But you do got to get your reps 182 00:07:04,572 --> 00:07:03,880 in , right ? You got to get that muscle 183 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,102 memory going . You can't skip leg day . 184 00:07:06,459 --> 00:07:08,626 You've got to get , keep on , keep the 185 00:07:08,626 --> 00:07:10,403 logistics effort moving . And a 186 00:07:10,403 --> 00:07:13,200 leader's job really . is twofold . 187 00:07:13,269 --> 00:07:15,869 That's to maintain . The organization , 188 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,399 the team , uh , and to make it better . 189 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,429 Hopefully , the day you leave your job , 190 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:23,352 you've made it better and you've 191 00:07:23,352 --> 00:07:25,575 strengthened that team . So you gotta , 192 00:07:25,575 --> 00:07:27,797 you know , maintaining strength in that 193 00:07:27,797 --> 00:07:29,940 team , um , is really what it's all 194 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:32,179 about . Um , we are technically in the 195 00:07:32,179 --> 00:07:34,290 offseason , I mean , short of , short 196 00:07:34,290 --> 00:07:36,457 of major war with a , with a near peer 197 00:07:36,457 --> 00:07:38,568 competitor . Uh , this is the time to 198 00:07:38,568 --> 00:07:40,846 do it , right ? To , to make sure , uh , 199 00:07:40,846 --> 00:07:40,459 that , that we are strengthening the 200 00:07:40,459 --> 00:07:42,348 team . But let me , let me pose a 201 00:07:42,348 --> 00:07:46,010 question . How do we How do we 202 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:48,529 guarantee or how do we guard against or 203 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:52,410 how do we prevent DOD's sustainment 204 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:54,188 capabilities , the critical war 205 00:07:54,188 --> 00:07:56,354 fighting sustainment capabilities that 206 00:07:56,354 --> 00:07:58,354 we provide in DOD from atrophying . 207 00:07:59,089 --> 00:08:01,311 Could it happen , could it be happening 208 00:08:01,311 --> 00:08:03,690 right now ? And more importantly , 209 00:08:03,779 --> 00:08:06,001 could it be happening right now with us 210 00:08:06,001 --> 00:08:08,480 not knowing that it's happening ? It's 211 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,647 a challenge that we all face . And I , 212 00:08:10,647 --> 00:08:12,591 I submit that that's , that , that 213 00:08:12,591 --> 00:08:12,000 could definitely , that could 214 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,040 definitely happen . Um , I mean , just 215 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,320 use DLA as an example , just the sheer 216 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,653 size and complexity of the organization , 217 00:08:19,653 --> 00:08:22,010 right ? You're somewhere north of $50 218 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:23,660 billion annual spend . 219 00:08:25,679 --> 00:08:28,500 Thousands and thousands of critical 220 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:32,369 decisions are happening daily . In 221 00:08:32,369 --> 00:08:35,078 the prosecution of those $50.50 $50 222 00:08:35,078 --> 00:08:37,630 million.50 billion dollars spend . Uh , 223 00:08:38,099 --> 00:08:39,932 to make sure that the sustaining 224 00:08:39,932 --> 00:08:42,700 capability is , is marching forward , 225 00:08:42,859 --> 00:08:46,400 going in the right direction . You , 226 00:08:46,479 --> 00:08:48,309 you put on top of that , the 227 00:08:48,309 --> 00:08:50,476 administrations that , I know you feel 228 00:08:50,476 --> 00:08:52,587 this , everybody , you know , my time 229 00:08:52,587 --> 00:08:54,642 in the Pentagon , the , I'll say the 230 00:08:54,642 --> 00:08:57,229 actions or ideas from the 231 00:08:57,229 --> 00:08:59,396 administration , uh , policy changes , 232 00:08:59,479 --> 00:09:01,619 law changes , budget reductions . 233 00:09:02,479 --> 00:09:06,440 Budget raises , 1.1.5 trillion is 234 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,718 gonna be a problem , right ? If you're , 235 00:09:08,718 --> 00:09:10,940 if you're , if you're thinking it's not 236 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:13,107 gonna be a problem , that's gonna be a 237 00:09:13,107 --> 00:09:15,273 problem for DOD to manage . But it's a 238 00:09:15,273 --> 00:09:14,599 fog and friction of the war , fog and 239 00:09:14,599 --> 00:09:16,766 friction that you live in , uh , every 240 00:09:16,766 --> 00:09:19,679 day . So , Could it happen ? I'd say 241 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,059 yes , it could happen . Has it happened ? 242 00:09:22,219 --> 00:09:24,580 I say yes , it has happened . So I'll 243 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:26,691 tell you a little war story . There I 244 00:09:26,691 --> 00:09:30,539 was 2017 , we were in the Pentagon . 245 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:33,472 Uh , the chief of staff assembled , the 246 00:09:33,472 --> 00:09:35,528 deputy chiefs , we talked about , we 247 00:09:35,528 --> 00:09:39,390 had a A country on the Pacific 248 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:42,030 Rim that doesn't have lights at night . 249 00:09:42,309 --> 00:09:45,770 I won't name it . Excuse me , that , 250 00:09:45,789 --> 00:09:48,059 uh , that , you know , tensions were , 251 00:09:48,099 --> 00:09:49,155 uh , were rising . 252 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,159 Tensions were rising . And you know , 253 00:09:55,299 --> 00:09:57,869 crisis was looming . And we had to get 254 00:09:57,869 --> 00:10:00,809 ready for war . Potential war . 255 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:04,190 Uh , so I assembled my team . I was 256 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:06,134 responsible as the Deputy Chief of 257 00:10:06,134 --> 00:10:08,134 Staff for logistics , engineering , 258 00:10:08,134 --> 00:10:10,246 force protection . So I looked at the 259 00:10:10,246 --> 00:10:12,357 force protection general said , hey , 260 00:10:12,357 --> 00:10:14,468 we gotta get our war skill . We gotta 261 00:10:14,468 --> 00:10:16,523 bump up our war skills . Tell me how 262 00:10:16,523 --> 00:10:18,690 we're doing . She turned and looked at 263 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:20,690 me and said , Sir , uh , we haven't 264 00:10:20,690 --> 00:10:22,857 been conducting war skills for years . 265 00:10:23,419 --> 00:10:25,659 We're only conducting our war skills in 266 00:10:25,659 --> 00:10:28,260 preparation for going downrange on 267 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:30,260 condition training for our security 268 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:33,280 forces . I looked at the engineer . 269 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:36,619 Engineer said critical war skills are 270 00:10:36,619 --> 00:10:38,952 what we do right before we go downrange . 271 00:10:38,952 --> 00:10:41,719 We're not doing them day to day . I 272 00:10:41,719 --> 00:10:45,140 looked at the low justician . And it 273 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:47,340 was , it was a mess , and I would have 274 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:49,507 handed that person their head except I 275 00:10:49,507 --> 00:10:51,562 was that logistician , that 2 star , 276 00:10:51,562 --> 00:10:53,729 just for like 3 years before that , so 277 00:10:53,729 --> 00:10:55,896 up to , up to when I was a 3 star , so 278 00:10:55,896 --> 00:10:58,118 I had to take a little blame here , but 279 00:10:58,118 --> 00:11:00,118 if you looked around , uh , chronic 280 00:11:00,118 --> 00:11:03,609 ammunition shortages . Uh , we only put , 281 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:07,280 we only had two chem suits . Per 282 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,979 combatant in the theater on the bases , 283 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,510 we made a choice on that . Spars 284 00:11:13,510 --> 00:11:15,619 funding was reduced . 285 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,440 Afloat prepositioned ships , there was 286 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,919 about there was 3/5 of what had been 287 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:24,599 available . 5 years earlier and they 288 00:11:24,599 --> 00:11:26,710 were mal positioned on the other side 289 00:11:26,710 --> 00:11:28,932 of Earth . And bear kits were not to be 290 00:11:28,932 --> 00:11:31,266 found . We couldn't move bear kits , uh , 291 00:11:31,266 --> 00:11:33,432 to the peninsula when we needed them . 292 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,487 And I , I , it was a reflective moment 293 00:11:36,487 --> 00:11:39,840 for me . I had , we , we , I mean , if 294 00:11:39,890 --> 00:11:42,580 we can do anything . We measure the 295 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:45,099 heck out of everything , right ? We all 296 00:11:45,099 --> 00:11:47,155 measure the heck out of everything , 297 00:11:47,155 --> 00:11:49,377 but are we measuring the right things ? 298 00:11:49,377 --> 00:11:52,830 I mean , we had OCO funding . And 299 00:11:52,830 --> 00:11:54,997 hopefully everybody here remembers OCO 300 00:11:54,997 --> 00:11:57,052 funding , but that was a lot , there 301 00:11:57,052 --> 00:11:58,941 was a lot of extra dollars in the 302 00:11:58,941 --> 00:12:01,460 budget . for other contingency 303 00:12:01,460 --> 00:12:04,469 operations and yet we were 304 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:08,000 We were short in all areas in logistics . 305 00:12:08,260 --> 00:12:10,371 The other deputy chiefs of staff were 306 00:12:10,371 --> 00:12:12,593 in the same way . An airman hadn't shot 307 00:12:12,593 --> 00:12:14,619 at a range . Airmen had not shot a 308 00:12:14,619 --> 00:12:17,179 weapon at a range for 4 years unless 309 00:12:17,179 --> 00:12:20,669 they were going to Southwest Asia . I 310 00:12:20,669 --> 00:12:22,780 mean this was , this was just not the 311 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:25,002 way you wanted to . Everybody's looking 312 00:12:25,002 --> 00:12:24,669 at the deputy chief of staff for 313 00:12:24,669 --> 00:12:27,900 logistics . And I , you know , I'm 314 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:30,122 telling the chief I need a lot of money 315 00:12:30,122 --> 00:12:32,233 to buy a lot of stuff really fast and 316 00:12:32,233 --> 00:12:34,400 get a lot of people trained . So why , 317 00:12:34,650 --> 00:12:36,969 how , how the heck could this possibly 318 00:12:36,969 --> 00:12:40,849 happen ? Well , to , 319 00:12:40,859 --> 00:12:43,026 uh , to explain that , I gotta go back 320 00:12:43,026 --> 00:12:45,979 to 2009 . 2 , I'm sorry , 2 , yeah , 321 00:12:46,059 --> 00:12:49,099 2009 . Then Lieutenant General Reno , 322 00:12:49,359 --> 00:12:52,500 who was a couple A4s ahead of me . Uh , 323 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:54,706 there was an interest , there was an , 324 00:12:54,706 --> 00:12:56,706 uh , infamous story , probably well 325 00:12:56,706 --> 00:12:58,595 forgotten inside the halls of the 326 00:12:58,595 --> 00:13:00,706 Pentagon . But in 2009 , General Rito 327 00:13:00,706 --> 00:13:02,817 assembled the same people I assembled 328 00:13:02,817 --> 00:13:06,510 in 2017 to fight in the peninsula and 329 00:13:06,510 --> 00:13:09,479 said , we have a problem . We have to 330 00:13:09,479 --> 00:13:11,440 cut $10 billion out of our budget 331 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,440 submission by tomorrow morning at 9 332 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,662 a.m. I've just ordered pizza for us for 333 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:19,650 dinner . Right ? Obviously 334 00:13:19,650 --> 00:13:22,830 the best possible solutions . The best 335 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:24,886 of the worst possible solutions were 336 00:13:24,886 --> 00:13:27,700 made . In the Air Force . 337 00:13:29,049 --> 00:13:31,530 I'm certain General Dale probably had 338 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:33,960 the same conversation here at DLA 339 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,570 headquarters in 2009 . Follow 340 00:13:37,570 --> 00:13:41,049 that up with . Uh , sequestration in 341 00:13:41,049 --> 00:13:44,059 2014 , Rheostat changed a little bit 342 00:13:44,059 --> 00:13:47,940 more . And suddenly , without really 343 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:49,884 realizing it , we're measuring the 344 00:13:49,884 --> 00:13:53,390 wrong thing . We think we're we're good 345 00:13:54,010 --> 00:13:57,260 because we set the rheostat down . Can 346 00:13:57,260 --> 00:13:59,482 you go to the next chart , please ? Now 347 00:13:59,482 --> 00:14:02,340 I , I spent You know , 6 of my last 7 348 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:04,562 years in the Pentagon , and I've worked 349 00:14:04,562 --> 00:14:06,562 with , I mean , I , I'd say they're 350 00:14:06,562 --> 00:14:08,673 really some of the best , some of the 351 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:08,630 best people I've ever worked with . 352 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:11,460 Just incredible talent all across the 353 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:14,690 Pentagon . Um , but those people and , 354 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:16,891 and the same people that were here in 355 00:14:16,891 --> 00:14:19,770 DLA . Um , at that time , they had to 356 00:14:19,770 --> 00:14:22,239 make the best of the worst decision . 357 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,487 To make that decision happen , right , 358 00:14:25,487 --> 00:14:28,479 to take , take that $10 million out . I 359 00:14:28,479 --> 00:14:31,049 imagine you're I mean , I'm , I'm , I'm 360 00:14:31,049 --> 00:14:33,049 speaking history . I imagine you're 361 00:14:33,049 --> 00:14:35,216 living the reality maybe today for all 362 00:14:35,216 --> 00:14:39,000 I know . So 363 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,619 I felt like we had to Uh , the general 364 00:14:42,619 --> 00:14:44,563 brought up these locked truces . I 365 00:14:44,563 --> 00:14:46,730 didn't know you're gonna bring it up . 366 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:46,020 Thanks for , thanks for , for , for 367 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:48,187 prepping for me there , uh , general . 368 00:14:48,187 --> 00:14:51,979 Um . But I , I wanted to set something 369 00:14:51,979 --> 00:14:53,859 for our airmen , and this is 370 00:14:53,859 --> 00:14:55,915 airman-centric , but it can be any , 371 00:14:55,915 --> 00:14:57,637 any , you know , for anybody . 372 00:14:59,239 --> 00:15:02,080 Um , what is the ground truth ? These 373 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,136 are , these are in my mind , they're 374 00:15:04,136 --> 00:15:05,969 axioms of logistics truth . They 375 00:15:05,969 --> 00:15:07,969 transcend politics , they transcend 376 00:15:07,969 --> 00:15:10,440 funding , they transcend , uh , any 377 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,607 kind of , you know , turmoil . They're 378 00:15:12,607 --> 00:15:16,130 just simple truths . You know , A 379 00:15:16,130 --> 00:15:18,408 well-trained airman is a better airman . 380 00:15:18,969 --> 00:15:21,080 You can't argue with that , right ? A 381 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,136 well-trained sailor , a well-trained 382 00:15:23,136 --> 00:15:25,247 marine , a well-trained soldier , and 383 00:15:25,247 --> 00:15:27,302 so forth . You just can't argue with 384 00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:29,413 that . But in the in the Kemps in the 385 00:15:29,413 --> 00:15:33,369 2009 scenario that I I described 386 00:15:33,369 --> 00:15:36,919 to you . Um , You know , we 387 00:15:36,919 --> 00:15:40,400 had set the rheostat , turned the dial , 388 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:43,109 forgot about the dial getting turned , 389 00:15:43,609 --> 00:15:46,299 and when we , we went into 2017 . 390 00:15:48,059 --> 00:15:51,070 We were measuring We're 100% on chem 391 00:15:51,070 --> 00:15:54,080 suits . And then we , you know , I 392 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,320 think if we , if we took a vote , if we 393 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,264 had , uh , one of those , what are 394 00:15:58,264 --> 00:16:00,487 those called monkey boat things , polls 395 00:16:00,487 --> 00:16:02,487 or whatever , troll poll , whatever 396 00:16:02,487 --> 00:16:02,479 they call it , you know , if we , if we 397 00:16:02,479 --> 00:16:04,590 did this on the , on the peninsula of 398 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:06,868 Korea and said , how many suits do you , 399 00:16:06,868 --> 00:16:08,979 do you think we need , 2 or 4 , you'd 400 00:16:08,979 --> 00:16:12,109 get 100% . For 4 . There's nobody 401 00:16:12,109 --> 00:16:14,109 sitting on the peninsula that wants 402 00:16:14,109 --> 00:16:16,109 just two chem suits , uh , but that 403 00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:18,880 decision got made way back here . Bad , 404 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:21,146 bad requirements equaled ineffective 405 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:23,289 logistics . These , these axioms the 406 00:16:23,289 --> 00:16:25,567 truth to me . I just , I , I , they're , 407 00:16:25,567 --> 00:16:27,678 they're not gonna solve , they're not 408 00:16:27,678 --> 00:16:30,011 gonna solve the puzzle , obviously . Um , 409 00:16:30,011 --> 00:16:33,070 you all work in , in a , in really a 410 00:16:33,070 --> 00:16:35,219 challenging , not only a challenging 411 00:16:35,219 --> 00:16:37,441 time , but challenging business because 412 00:16:37,441 --> 00:16:39,739 as soon as , as soon as this is , uh , 413 00:16:39,789 --> 00:16:41,845 I'm a , I'm a retiree , so I can say 414 00:16:41,845 --> 00:16:44,011 these things , but I mean , as soon as 415 00:16:44,011 --> 00:16:46,122 the war is over , sustainment becomes 416 00:16:46,122 --> 00:16:48,289 the big bill payer . Because we , we , 417 00:16:48,289 --> 00:16:50,178 we , we , we might be paying more 418 00:16:50,178 --> 00:16:52,345 during the war . When I , uh , when we 419 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:54,567 started the war , we really were trying 420 00:16:54,567 --> 00:16:56,622 to push airplanes out of depots . We 421 00:16:56,622 --> 00:16:56,580 had to get more supply chain and so 422 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:59,219 forth . As soon as the war starts to 423 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:01,330 dissipate or we start to get into the 424 00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:03,552 offseason , uh , things like DLA become 425 00:17:03,552 --> 00:17:05,608 a bill payer . And you really got to 426 00:17:05,608 --> 00:17:07,552 guard , in my mind , you've got to 427 00:17:07,552 --> 00:17:07,260 guard against that , at least I like 428 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:09,739 that . I like to poke at that and see 429 00:17:09,739 --> 00:17:11,906 if there's any questions afterwards on 430 00:17:11,906 --> 00:17:13,850 that . But the , the reason that I 431 00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:15,906 built this is I hope that I , that , 432 00:17:15,906 --> 00:17:17,961 that , that , that airman in my case 433 00:17:17,961 --> 00:17:20,239 could , um , prevent it from happening . 434 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,473 If they couldn't prevent it from 435 00:17:22,473 --> 00:17:24,770 happening , they could articulate . The 436 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:26,810 damage that would happen from the 437 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:29,010 decision , or at least they would just 438 00:17:29,010 --> 00:17:31,780 remember . So in subsequent times , 439 00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:34,032 like in 2017 , we got a war chest , and 440 00:17:34,032 --> 00:17:36,250 we started rebuying the stuff back to 441 00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:38,528 the simple truth that , you know , the , 442 00:17:39,819 --> 00:17:41,708 Good requirements equal effective 443 00:17:41,708 --> 00:17:43,219 logistics as an example . 444 00:17:45,329 --> 00:17:47,440 Uh , is there any questions on any of 445 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,440 that right now ? I'll just take two 446 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,607 minutes because I have another topic I 447 00:17:51,607 --> 00:17:50,609 wanna talk about , but is there any 448 00:17:50,609 --> 00:17:52,831 questions specific from that , that war 449 00:17:52,831 --> 00:17:54,776 story or any , any of that kind of 450 00:17:54,776 --> 00:17:56,887 conversation , I'll take it now or we 451 00:17:56,887 --> 00:17:58,998 can just keep on going . Is that good 452 00:17:58,998 --> 00:17:58,880 protocol , general , or should I just 453 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,510 keep on going ? OK . OK , I'll just 454 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:03,510 keep on going . 455 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:12,930 The second idea , that's a war story . 456 00:18:13,209 --> 00:18:15,489 This next concept is more of an idea . 457 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:19,369 Um , that it came to me about 2 years 458 00:18:19,369 --> 00:18:21,369 ago with some , with a , with a few 459 00:18:21,369 --> 00:18:24,869 other really smart people . Um , but 460 00:18:24,869 --> 00:18:27,202 it's an idea that I think has got merit , 461 00:18:27,202 --> 00:18:29,425 and we've been really pushing it , uh , 462 00:18:29,425 --> 00:18:31,536 in Congress and with the Pentagon and 463 00:18:31,536 --> 00:18:33,647 others because I think it's somewhere 464 00:18:33,647 --> 00:18:35,813 that it's , it's , it's an area that I 465 00:18:35,813 --> 00:18:37,702 think we can expand the logistics 466 00:18:37,702 --> 00:18:39,536 system to support ourselves very 467 00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:43,160 quickly . So I'm with a company in , in , 468 00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:45,569 in the defense industry . Uh , we're on 469 00:18:45,569 --> 00:18:47,513 the regional sustainment framework 470 00:18:47,859 --> 00:18:50,192 Committee over in the Pentagon , and we , 471 00:18:50,192 --> 00:18:52,415 we participate as a , we're a , we're a 472 00:18:52,415 --> 00:18:54,415 second tier company , we're not a , 473 00:18:54,415 --> 00:18:56,303 we're not a prime kind of get the 474 00:18:56,303 --> 00:18:58,526 second tier perspective on the regional 475 00:18:58,526 --> 00:19:00,637 sustainment framework . I hope people 476 00:19:00,637 --> 00:19:00,089 know what the regional sustainment 477 00:19:00,089 --> 00:19:02,369 framework is . The regional sustainment 478 00:19:02,369 --> 00:19:05,839 framework , um , is DO 479 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:08,819 DOW's effort . To , 480 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:13,000 um , expand , uh , and enable more 481 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,680 logistic support in theaters , uh , so 482 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,359 that the , the pressure is not so much , 483 00:19:19,369 --> 00:19:21,536 uh , individually on the United States 484 00:19:21,536 --> 00:19:23,560 as allies to to support , so we're 485 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,430 really focusing on Paycom . Um , 486 00:19:26,459 --> 00:19:28,737 there's test cases in all the services , 487 00:19:28,859 --> 00:19:32,000 and to date , it's really been , in my , 488 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:34,617 my words probably not totally accurate , 489 00:19:34,617 --> 00:19:36,450 but it's been workload sharing . 490 00:19:36,739 --> 00:19:39,229 Between America and an ally , in other 491 00:19:39,229 --> 00:19:42,369 words , And I don't , I don't think 492 00:19:42,369 --> 00:19:44,425 this is an accurate one , but I know 493 00:19:44,425 --> 00:19:46,930 that Australia has P8s . We let them do 494 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:49,130 some P8 work for us , either overhaul 495 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:50,741 commodities , supply chain , 496 00:19:50,741 --> 00:19:53,229 warehousing , something . And then we 497 00:19:53,229 --> 00:19:55,396 don't have to do it . And then when we 498 00:19:55,396 --> 00:19:57,451 deploy forward , we can utilize that 499 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:59,677 enhanced activity because we never had 500 00:19:59,677 --> 00:20:01,899 it in the first place . Right , so that 501 00:20:01,899 --> 00:20:04,920 makes sense , um . But in those , and 502 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,087 that , that is just to grow capacity , 503 00:20:07,087 --> 00:20:09,270 make sure that we can , um , we can 504 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:10,992 fight the war with more , more 505 00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:14,479 logistics capacity in the theater . So 506 00:20:14,479 --> 00:20:17,109 I'm on that that committee . My company 507 00:20:17,109 --> 00:20:19,220 is also , I'm also the representative 508 00:20:19,349 --> 00:20:22,560 for my company AAR on the The National 509 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,930 Defense Transportation Association and 510 00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:27,290 we sit on the Transcom's Military 511 00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:29,457 Airlift Advisory Committee and the and 512 00:20:29,457 --> 00:20:31,512 the Transportation Airlift Committee 513 00:20:31,512 --> 00:20:33,734 with him , direct , direct him or her , 514 00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,957 General Van Vanovos , now new general , 515 00:20:35,969 --> 00:20:39,890 but it's new , um , though we , we 516 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:42,709 provide , um , inputs , industry inputs 517 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:45,819 to the Transcom staff . And sitting on 518 00:20:45,819 --> 00:20:47,819 the , on the military advisory 519 00:20:47,819 --> 00:20:49,652 committee and the transportation 520 00:20:49,652 --> 00:20:51,708 committee are companies like FedEx , 521 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,819 Atlas , DHL , Delta Airlines , United 522 00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:56,041 Airlines , uh , ATSG , you know , big , 523 00:20:56,041 --> 00:20:58,520 big outfits , I think I said Boeing , 524 00:20:58,939 --> 00:21:02,140 uh , uh , and AAR . We provide good 525 00:21:02,140 --> 00:21:04,307 inputs . Those same companies are in . 526 00:21:05,829 --> 00:21:08,420 Participate in the craft . If you're 527 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:10,420 not familiar with the craft , Civil 528 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:12,531 Reserve air fleet , they got a ground 529 00:21:12,531 --> 00:21:14,531 component and a marine component as 530 00:21:14,531 --> 00:21:16,587 well , uh , similar , similar , um , 531 00:21:16,587 --> 00:21:20,390 setups . And It's a 532 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:23,439 voluntary program . Where these 533 00:21:23,439 --> 00:21:26,959 companies , industry gets uh low 534 00:21:26,959 --> 00:21:30,410 volume work during peacetime . And when 535 00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:32,743 high volume work is needed during surge , 536 00:21:33,729 --> 00:21:35,785 Uh , you got , you , the , the , the 537 00:21:35,785 --> 00:21:37,785 companies will expand , commit more 538 00:21:37,785 --> 00:21:40,007 resources , provide more , uh , airlift 539 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:43,260 in my case , under the craft to , to 540 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,670 support the war effort . So I left the 541 00:21:45,670 --> 00:21:47,392 Regional sustainment Framework 542 00:21:47,392 --> 00:21:49,337 Committee and went to the National 543 00:21:49,337 --> 00:21:51,281 Defense Transportation Association 544 00:21:51,281 --> 00:21:53,448 Committee , and it occurred to me , we 545 00:21:53,448 --> 00:21:53,390 don't have anything like that on the 546 00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:55,612 regional sustainment side , on the , on 547 00:21:55,612 --> 00:21:57,668 the industrial base . Go to the next 548 00:21:57,668 --> 00:22:00,819 chart , please . So 549 00:22:02,050 --> 00:22:04,272 I've been pushing this thing called the 550 00:22:04,272 --> 00:22:07,589 crib . Uh , the acronym isn't , isn't 551 00:22:07,589 --> 00:22:10,280 making it , frankly . Uh , uh , it's 552 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,280 not , they're not buying it , and I 553 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,447 talked about it at the DOD maintenance 554 00:22:14,447 --> 00:22:16,391 symposium last year , and it's , I 555 00:22:16,391 --> 00:22:18,724 think I got , we got some , we got some , 556 00:22:18,724 --> 00:22:20,947 uh , some activity moving forward , but 557 00:22:20,947 --> 00:22:23,058 the , the idea with the crib is there 558 00:22:23,058 --> 00:22:26,810 is industry . In the AORs , Paycom , 559 00:22:26,989 --> 00:22:30,680 UCO . Um , that today 560 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,119 that provide warehousing , overhaul , 561 00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:35,713 supply chain . I mean , my company does , 562 00:22:35,713 --> 00:22:37,936 but we're small , frankly , but there's 563 00:22:37,936 --> 00:22:40,047 lots of big companies out there . Why 564 00:22:40,047 --> 00:22:42,890 don't we utilize . That those 565 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:46,140 capabilities in theater . To 566 00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:50,109 augment The industrial base If you see 567 00:22:50,109 --> 00:22:52,165 on this model , I mean , the organic 568 00:22:52,165 --> 00:22:54,109 industrial base has certain excess 569 00:22:54,109 --> 00:22:56,276 capacity . The defense industrial base 570 00:22:56,276 --> 00:22:59,390 has certain increased capacity in the 571 00:22:59,390 --> 00:23:02,689 center . You can , uh , I'll use one of 572 00:23:02,689 --> 00:23:04,911 my locations as an example . We have an 573 00:23:04,911 --> 00:23:08,540 overhaul facility in , in Thailand . It 574 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:10,880 overhauls commercial airplanes . We're 575 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,769 we're mostly commercial company . 576 00:23:14,709 --> 00:23:18,339 Um Why couldn't that activity have 577 00:23:19,239 --> 00:23:20,961 Uh , capability , some type of 578 00:23:20,961 --> 00:23:23,989 capability for the C40 , the PA , KC 46 , 579 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,207 you name it , something like that . So 580 00:23:26,207 --> 00:23:28,373 that when you , when , when we have to 581 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:30,207 actually activate the AOR , that 582 00:23:30,207 --> 00:23:32,318 capability , C40 is gonna stop in and 583 00:23:32,318 --> 00:23:34,484 get their part fixed or whatever and , 584 00:23:34,484 --> 00:23:36,707 and keep on going . It's an idea . It's 585 00:23:36,707 --> 00:23:39,579 an idea that I think can um uh can uh . 586 00:23:41,290 --> 00:23:43,609 Can be , uh , which , which could add 587 00:23:43,609 --> 00:23:46,349 to the workload sharing between 588 00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:48,729 countries that is actually going on 589 00:23:48,729 --> 00:23:52,010 right now with the , uh , with the uh . 590 00:23:53,229 --> 00:23:55,285 Through the , through the uh through 591 00:23:55,285 --> 00:23:58,839 the current program . So one of the , 592 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,142 one of the arguments that I've heard on 593 00:24:01,142 --> 00:24:03,364 this , you know , talking with Congress 594 00:24:03,364 --> 00:24:05,420 and with the Pentagon is , hey , you 595 00:24:05,420 --> 00:24:04,880 know , we learned , we learned that 596 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,102 once contractors are in , if you really 597 00:24:07,102 --> 00:24:09,269 rely on them and the shooting starts , 598 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:12,739 those , those Those , uh , Those 599 00:24:12,739 --> 00:24:14,906 contractors like will depart the war , 600 00:24:14,906 --> 00:24:17,017 the wartime . In this case they're at 601 00:24:17,017 --> 00:24:19,128 home . This isn't , this isn't , this 602 00:24:19,128 --> 00:24:21,239 isn't a deployed location . This is a 603 00:24:21,239 --> 00:24:23,017 company that's full of national 604 00:24:23,017 --> 00:24:25,295 employees working at a You know , at a , 605 00:24:25,295 --> 00:24:27,517 at a company or at a , at their , their 606 00:24:27,517 --> 00:24:29,461 company location overhauling these 607 00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,239 parts . Really , uh , really an 608 00:24:31,239 --> 00:24:33,517 opportunity . We also just had in this , 609 00:24:33,517 --> 00:24:35,628 in the current NDA they had the Civil 610 00:24:35,628 --> 00:24:37,739 Reserve maintenance Network which was 611 00:24:37,739 --> 00:24:39,961 just enacted , which I think this could 612 00:24:39,961 --> 00:24:41,961 be a part of . Um , I gotta talk to 613 00:24:41,961 --> 00:24:44,072 Steve Moranti . I think he stole my , 614 00:24:44,072 --> 00:24:46,128 uh , my Civil reserve , uh , kind of 615 00:24:46,128 --> 00:24:48,350 words . But you know , it's really what 616 00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:50,628 I think it really ties into that , the , 617 00:24:50,628 --> 00:24:52,906 the , to the , uh , the forward basing . 618 00:24:52,906 --> 00:24:54,949 Agile operational concepts that are 619 00:24:54,949 --> 00:24:57,116 being employed by , by the Air Force , 620 00:24:57,116 --> 00:24:59,338 the Army , the Navy . Things like agile 621 00:24:59,338 --> 00:25:01,393 combat employment where , you know , 622 00:25:01,393 --> 00:25:03,282 the , the , the , in , in the Air 623 00:25:03,282 --> 00:25:04,949 Force's case , the , uh , the 624 00:25:04,949 --> 00:25:07,282 airplane's going to jump around the AOR . 625 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,920 In the Navy's case , they , they're 626 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,976 gonna , they're gonna move , they're 627 00:25:11,976 --> 00:25:14,142 gonna move fleets around in the Army's 628 00:25:14,142 --> 00:25:13,520 case , they're gonna be , they're gonna 629 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,359 be 100% on the , on the move . Um , the 630 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,526 more locations you have , the better . 631 00:25:18,526 --> 00:25:21,239 I mean , why not use like warehousing . 632 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,239 That industry has through the crib , 633 00:25:24,699 --> 00:25:27,130 which is a contract . Uh , that you 634 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:29,130 have already access to that you can 635 00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:31,186 just , you can just robust up , move 636 00:25:31,186 --> 00:25:33,463 more material there , start storing it , 637 00:25:33,463 --> 00:25:35,463 and so forth . And then finally , I 638 00:25:35,463 --> 00:25:37,574 mean , it's back to the , back to the 639 00:25:37,574 --> 00:25:41,530 uh Back to the log truce , but I mean 640 00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:43,641 you don't have to own it to use it in 641 00:25:43,641 --> 00:25:45,530 this crib model , uh , you know , 642 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:47,641 you're just using industry's industry 643 00:25:47,641 --> 00:25:49,919 support to , uh , to , to grow the pie , 644 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:52,141 get more logistics support in AOR place 645 00:25:52,141 --> 00:25:54,308 like Paycom where it takes you forever 646 00:25:54,308 --> 00:25:56,474 to get it because the , you know , the 647 00:25:56,474 --> 00:25:58,586 fastest way to get something there is 648 00:25:58,586 --> 00:25:57,510 to already have it there for the 649 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:00,560 warfighter . So I think I'll , I think 650 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,109 I'll stop there . And , uh , 651 00:26:04,489 --> 00:26:06,545 and see if there are any questions . 652 00:26:07,449 --> 00:26:09,869 That , uh , that I can that I can offer . 653 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,522 We'll open it up now for questions both 654 00:26:13,522 --> 00:26:15,633 in the room and from our remote sites 655 00:26:15,633 --> 00:26:18,540 who can submit via email to COL@DLA.mil 656 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:20,819 or by scanning the QR code . For those 657 00:26:20,819 --> 00:26:22,597 in the audience , if you have a 658 00:26:22,597 --> 00:26:24,819 question , please raise your hand and a 659 00:26:24,819 --> 00:26:26,875 member of the staff will bring you a 660 00:26:26,875 --> 00:26:29,041 microphone . Sir , I have a question . 661 00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:32,609 How you doing , sir ? This is from a 662 00:26:32,609 --> 00:26:35,209 talent and succession standpoint . How 663 00:26:35,209 --> 00:26:37,489 can organizations better utilize this 664 00:26:37,489 --> 00:26:40,589 time of the offseason to address gaps , 665 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:43,170 skills , gaps in skills , mindset , 666 00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:46,510 training , or culture ? How can you 667 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:50,479 grow the workforce ? Skills Quantity 668 00:26:50,479 --> 00:26:54,160 or or just just just skills ? You know , 669 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,567 you you're in the offseason , you have 670 00:26:56,567 --> 00:26:58,678 this downtime . How do you reassess , 671 00:26:58,678 --> 00:27:00,900 reevaluate what's the best method to do 672 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,789 that , uh , change your mindset , 673 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:04,844 figure out , um , check the pulse of 674 00:27:04,844 --> 00:27:07,011 the organization . Yeah , yeah , thank 675 00:27:07,011 --> 00:27:09,233 you for that question . It's , it's all 676 00:27:09,233 --> 00:27:11,233 about the people , right ? It's all 677 00:27:11,233 --> 00:27:13,456 about the workforce . I will say . It , 678 00:27:13,456 --> 00:27:15,567 it's so my experience in industry has 679 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,733 been , and not just my company , but I 680 00:27:17,733 --> 00:27:19,733 talk with a lot of colleagues too . 681 00:27:19,733 --> 00:27:21,733 We're in uniform . We're saying why 682 00:27:21,733 --> 00:27:23,567 can't we do it like industry and 683 00:27:23,567 --> 00:27:23,189 industry is saying why can't we do it 684 00:27:23,189 --> 00:27:26,430 like the military because we do a 685 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,790 really good job of training our people 686 00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:31,901 for the jobs that they have to , that 687 00:27:31,901 --> 00:27:34,012 they have to tackle . We do , I think 688 00:27:34,012 --> 00:27:35,901 we really do a really good job of 689 00:27:35,901 --> 00:27:37,734 technically we do a great job of 690 00:27:37,734 --> 00:27:39,846 bringing . You know , bringing , uh , 691 00:27:39,846 --> 00:27:41,901 you know , high school students in , 692 00:27:41,901 --> 00:27:43,790 get them the initial training and 693 00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:43,500 whatever their combats or whatever 694 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,667 their skill is . If they have a combat 695 00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:47,944 skill , they'll get follow-on training . 696 00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:51,140 Um , we grow them , uh , formally , we 697 00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:53,251 force leaders to use , you know , you 698 00:27:53,251 --> 00:27:56,319 have to report out on , on your , your , 699 00:27:56,660 --> 00:27:58,882 these people that are , that are taking 700 00:27:58,882 --> 00:28:01,049 over there , that are learning their , 701 00:28:01,049 --> 00:28:00,969 their skills , you know , you gotta , 702 00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:02,883 you gotta document it . I mean , 703 00:28:02,883 --> 00:28:04,606 there's a lot of , there's a , 704 00:28:04,606 --> 00:28:08,300 certainly a lot of , um , A lot of , um , 705 00:28:08,579 --> 00:28:10,801 leadership that goes into training that 706 00:28:10,801 --> 00:28:12,912 airman . And when you get to a senior 707 00:28:12,912 --> 00:28:15,246 level , like the generals here , I mean , 708 00:28:15,246 --> 00:28:17,468 they all , I know that the generals all 709 00:28:17,468 --> 00:28:17,459 will , and the , the colonels and then 710 00:28:17,459 --> 00:28:19,939 the generals will sit and they will , 711 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:23,920 they will like , Labor over where to 712 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,698 put the lieutenant colonels and 713 00:28:25,698 --> 00:28:27,809 colonels in in an opportunity to give 714 00:28:27,809 --> 00:28:29,976 them an opportunity to grow . Uh , and 715 00:28:29,976 --> 00:28:32,142 the same in the civilian workforce . I 716 00:28:32,142 --> 00:28:34,476 mean , I'm talking mostly military here , 717 00:28:34,476 --> 00:28:33,959 but on the civilian workforce , it was 718 00:28:33,959 --> 00:28:36,459 my same experience , uh , with all the , 719 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,862 the , the , the big organizations I had 720 00:28:38,862 --> 00:28:41,089 in our , in our civilian , um , uh , 721 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,949 civil service , uh , labor forces . Um , 722 00:28:43,959 --> 00:28:46,015 I think we spent a lot , uh , a good 723 00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:48,189 amount of time doing that . Are there 724 00:28:48,189 --> 00:28:50,356 better ways to do it ? I think this is 725 00:28:50,356 --> 00:28:52,430 where I , I go back to my first , my 726 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:54,374 first comment . I , I see a lot of 727 00:28:54,374 --> 00:28:57,619 activity . I mean , first of all , I 728 00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:59,841 get most of my information from the Air 729 00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:02,008 Force Times , OK , I'm a retiree , but 730 00:29:02,008 --> 00:29:04,599 I see . I see training programs that 731 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,439 are getting Um , that , that are gonna , 732 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680 we're looking to train people to do 733 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,624 more things . And I think that's a 734 00:29:11,624 --> 00:29:13,569 function of the budget . There's a 735 00:29:13,569 --> 00:29:15,736 ground truth somewhere on training and 736 00:29:15,736 --> 00:29:17,902 at , at some point , this is , this is 737 00:29:17,902 --> 00:29:17,880 the kind of training that you , that 738 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,050 survives . Uh , reality versus the 739 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,020 budget , uh , and , and I think as 740 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:25,076 leaders you gotta really , you gotta 741 00:29:25,076 --> 00:29:27,242 really , um , guard against that . You 742 00:29:27,242 --> 00:29:26,729 gotta make sure that you're getting the , 743 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,800 the right training for the people . 744 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,069 Having a , having a technician do 15 745 00:29:31,689 --> 00:29:34,000 critical skills that they were formerly 746 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,979 doing like 2 or 3 is a , is a stretch , 747 00:29:37,099 --> 00:29:38,932 right ? It's a stretch . So it's 748 00:29:38,932 --> 00:29:41,043 usually driven by the budget . What's 749 00:29:41,043 --> 00:29:43,099 that ground reality ? And I just ask 750 00:29:43,099 --> 00:29:45,321 you to think about that what and try to 751 00:29:45,321 --> 00:29:47,543 remember it so that you can , you can , 752 00:29:47,543 --> 00:29:49,599 uh , you can , uh , get it funded so 753 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:49,160 that you can do it , uh , in the future . 754 00:29:50,339 --> 00:29:51,839 Thank you for that , sir . 755 00:29:58,750 --> 00:30:00,917 Good afternoon sir . Uh , just a quick 756 00:30:00,917 --> 00:30:02,972 question . Uh , when it comes to the 757 00:30:02,972 --> 00:30:05,083 crib concept , is there much that was 758 00:30:05,083 --> 00:30:07,083 pulled out of , for instance , uh , 759 00:30:07,083 --> 00:30:06,989 Ukraine lessons learned or things along 760 00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:09,267 those lines that informs it , you know , 761 00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:11,433 basically what current operations have 762 00:30:11,433 --> 00:30:15,430 informed it over . Um , Uh , it , 763 00:30:15,709 --> 00:30:17,709 it just , it occurred to me that we 764 00:30:17,709 --> 00:30:19,820 have a capacity in , because when I , 765 00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:21,910 when I joined my company , um , I 766 00:30:21,910 --> 00:30:23,799 didn't realize how much we had in 767 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,743 Paycom and Yucom . And that , that 768 00:30:25,743 --> 00:30:27,910 capability , it's , it's just , it's , 769 00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:30,077 it's the same stuff that , that , that 770 00:30:30,077 --> 00:30:32,243 we all do , the same stuff I did as an 771 00:30:32,243 --> 00:30:34,188 A4 . We have warehousing , we have 772 00:30:34,188 --> 00:30:37,420 overhaul , we have , uh , supply points , 773 00:30:37,699 --> 00:30:39,921 we have shipping , we have , you know , 774 00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:41,977 transportation network . Again , one 775 00:30:41,977 --> 00:30:44,088 little company . I'm sitting on these 776 00:30:44,088 --> 00:30:46,260 boards and I saw it . I saw , I see 777 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:48,859 FedEx and , and , uh , and Atlas Air 778 00:30:48,859 --> 00:30:51,339 and , and Delta Tech Delta Airlines and 779 00:30:51,339 --> 00:30:53,506 United Airlines and their capabilities 780 00:30:53,506 --> 00:30:56,829 on the craft . And then I see what , uh , 781 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,172 companies like Lockheed Martin , Boeing , 782 00:30:59,172 --> 00:31:01,520 Raytheon have in air . I'm sure that's 783 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,576 the same on ground and I'm sure it's 784 00:31:03,576 --> 00:31:05,687 the same on naval forces in the AOR . 785 00:31:05,687 --> 00:31:08,020 There's , there's contractors out there . 786 00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:10,131 Why don't we just harvest that ? Um , 787 00:31:10,131 --> 00:31:12,464 the , the Ukrainian , uh , like I , you , 788 00:31:12,464 --> 00:31:14,742 you use Ukraine as an example . I mean , 789 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:16,964 Ukraine , Ukrainian is like a , a total 790 00:31:16,964 --> 00:31:19,187 test bed for really advancing wartime , 791 00:31:19,187 --> 00:31:22,089 war fighting skills . Um , I was 792 00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:24,709 actually in Kiev about 8 months ago . 793 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,849 Um , wouldn't recommend it . 794 00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:30,834 It was a , it was an interesting , 795 00:31:30,834 --> 00:31:33,001 interesting trip , but , but the , but 796 00:31:33,001 --> 00:31:35,112 the people are , I mean , the , their 797 00:31:35,112 --> 00:31:37,223 entire thought process in their their 798 00:31:37,223 --> 00:31:40,770 version of DOD MOD , um , is how do I 799 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:42,881 get it faster and they're looking for 800 00:31:42,881 --> 00:31:45,048 best type , you know , how do I get it 801 00:31:45,048 --> 00:31:47,159 faster . They want it , they want the 802 00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:49,437 material in this case , material there . 803 00:31:49,437 --> 00:31:51,659 They don't wanna have it someplace else 804 00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:53,709 where they can get to it and , uh , 805 00:31:53,729 --> 00:31:56,780 trying to figure out , um . How to 806 00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:58,947 support them , we , it's , it's been a 807 00:31:58,947 --> 00:32:00,669 lot of fun , uh , for , for me 808 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:00,520 personally . 809 00:32:05,949 --> 00:32:08,369 Uh , uh , General Cooper , sir , uh , 810 00:32:08,489 --> 00:32:10,711 thank you for your time today , sir . I 811 00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:12,767 really appreciate it . Um , always , 812 00:32:12,767 --> 00:32:14,822 always enlightening to , to hear you 813 00:32:14,822 --> 00:32:14,329 speak , sir . Just a , a question for 814 00:32:14,329 --> 00:32:16,273 you , sir , as a follow up to your 815 00:32:16,273 --> 00:32:18,385 first part . So as you prepared for , 816 00:32:18,385 --> 00:32:20,496 for 2017 and that pressure campaign , 817 00:32:20,496 --> 00:32:22,662 um , for that Pacific adversary , um , 818 00:32:22,662 --> 00:32:24,829 and you realized that the Rio stat had 819 00:32:24,829 --> 00:32:26,940 not been adjusted and had been left , 820 00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:29,218 if you wanna . Maybe the off positions , 821 00:32:29,218 --> 00:32:31,440 um , but yet we had a , a , a crisis to 822 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,607 prepare for . Can you just share how , 823 00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:35,900 um , industry responded or what lessons 824 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,020 maybe we learned from that to improve 825 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:40,187 that government industrial partnership 826 00:32:40,187 --> 00:32:42,242 going forward ? Yeah , yeah , thanks 827 00:32:42,242 --> 00:32:44,076 for that , Dave . I , you know , 828 00:32:44,076 --> 00:32:47,650 industry responds to requirements , um , 829 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:49,900 from customer requirements , funded 830 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,011 customer customer requirements . Um , 831 00:32:52,011 --> 00:32:54,233 where I think there's value and I think 832 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:56,400 that's , this is why we're a big fan . 833 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,456 We , in my company I've been pushing 834 00:32:58,456 --> 00:32:57,819 the regional sustainment framework . 835 00:32:57,869 --> 00:32:59,540 It's not , it's not a funded 836 00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:01,660 requirement . It's an idea that 837 00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:03,716 industry can participate in and then 838 00:33:03,716 --> 00:33:05,660 maybe get business some , sometime 839 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:07,979 later , right ? Um , but it , it's , 840 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,744 industry is gonna , industry's got 841 00:33:10,744 --> 00:33:13,359 ideas , um , but they will generally at 842 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,526 large are going to wait until they get 843 00:33:15,526 --> 00:33:17,248 a good requirement from , from 844 00:33:17,248 --> 00:33:20,079 government , right ? Um So what do we 845 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,410 do with industry in this case we just 846 00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:27,109 we At , at the , at the air staff , we 847 00:33:27,109 --> 00:33:29,069 reset the , the Rheostat , which 848 00:33:29,069 --> 00:33:31,770 trickled down into the supply chain 849 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:34,189 wing that would order the parts and get 850 00:33:34,189 --> 00:33:36,078 industry to , to respond . From a 851 00:33:36,078 --> 00:33:38,022 tactical perspective , industry is 852 00:33:38,022 --> 00:33:40,245 always gonna work to the , to the , you 853 00:33:40,245 --> 00:33:42,356 know , the , the funded requirement . 854 00:33:42,356 --> 00:33:44,790 Um , but I will say there's , there's 855 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:46,679 things like this National Defense 856 00:33:46,679 --> 00:33:49,579 Transportation Association , uh , um , 857 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,031 I think , you know , meetings where , 858 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:54,253 you know , I sat on with the , with the 859 00:33:54,253 --> 00:33:57,859 NDTA industry helps set a Pacific . 860 00:33:58,339 --> 00:34:00,672 Support plan that we gave to the Paycom , 861 00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:02,617 the Transcom commander gave to the 862 00:34:02,617 --> 00:34:04,561 Paycom commander . Things to think 863 00:34:04,561 --> 00:34:06,672 about because you're going to have to 864 00:34:06,672 --> 00:34:06,520 activate those in a hurry . The , the , 865 00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:08,328 the big , the big issue between 866 00:34:08,328 --> 00:34:10,106 industry and in my , my sense , 867 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,431 industry and government is that flash 868 00:34:12,431 --> 00:34:15,530 the bang when you need it . Um , it's , 869 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:18,110 it's contract lag time , and then 870 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:20,586 industry has to go get it , and then 871 00:34:20,586 --> 00:34:22,697 you're gonna get it . Um , whereas if 872 00:34:22,697 --> 00:34:25,030 you can start early on the requirements , 873 00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:27,141 uh , if you can start early and , and 874 00:34:27,141 --> 00:34:29,419 fund the requirements and industry can , 875 00:34:29,419 --> 00:34:31,641 can participate , they will , um , more 876 00:34:31,641 --> 00:34:34,449 likely , uh , pre-fund in anticipation 877 00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:36,949 of award . Um , our company , this is 878 00:34:36,949 --> 00:34:38,949 what our company does . Our company 879 00:34:38,949 --> 00:34:40,893 will , we will , we will spend the 880 00:34:40,893 --> 00:34:43,116 money early if we have a guarantee that 881 00:34:43,116 --> 00:34:45,282 it's going to be contracted to us , so 882 00:34:45,282 --> 00:34:47,505 to speak . So I hope that makes sense , 883 00:34:47,505 --> 00:34:51,128 yeah , in a macro sense . So he , hey , 884 00:34:51,198 --> 00:34:53,087 sir , I think I'm , I'm up next . 885 00:34:53,087 --> 00:34:55,254 Colonel Matt York from , uh , J3 . I'd 886 00:34:55,254 --> 00:34:57,309 like to go back to the , that , that 887 00:34:57,309 --> 00:34:59,476 same first section of your speech on , 888 00:34:59,476 --> 00:35:01,476 uh , sustainment is always the bill 889 00:35:01,476 --> 00:35:03,642 payer . Within sustainment , there's , 890 00:35:03,642 --> 00:35:05,976 there's bill payers and and payers , uh , 891 00:35:05,976 --> 00:35:08,198 you're always fighting against bringing 892 00:35:08,198 --> 00:35:10,309 the new weapon systems on , modifying 893 00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:12,420 the legacy systems , figuring out how 894 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:14,587 to do the engineering and acquisitions 895 00:35:14,587 --> 00:35:16,754 and provisioning to keep the core of a 896 00:35:16,754 --> 00:35:18,809 system viable , and then beyond that 897 00:35:18,809 --> 00:35:20,865 you've got the infrastructure at the 898 00:35:20,865 --> 00:35:22,920 installation level . Now that you've 899 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,087 got some time , uh , with industry and 900 00:35:25,087 --> 00:35:27,309 some time away , is there anything that 901 00:35:27,309 --> 00:35:29,531 you think we should rethink in terms of 902 00:35:29,531 --> 00:35:31,365 how we look at that ecosystem of 903 00:35:31,365 --> 00:35:33,531 sustainment and level set it before we 904 00:35:33,531 --> 00:35:35,860 have to make hard calls on what gets 905 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:37,138 funded or sacrificed ? 906 00:35:40,379 --> 00:35:42,657 So I wish I had a great answer for you . 907 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:44,853 But , you know , in looking at , 908 00:35:44,853 --> 00:35:47,020 looking at the , the , the , the fight 909 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:49,242 that you fight every day , um , I can , 910 00:35:49,242 --> 00:35:51,409 I mean , I can share , I , I can share 911 00:35:51,409 --> 00:35:53,631 a war story with you . I have on my , I 912 00:35:53,631 --> 00:35:52,850 have on , in fact , I have a picture . 913 00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:54,749 I can show it to you afterwards , 914 00:35:54,749 --> 00:35:56,971 because I show it all the time . I have 915 00:35:56,971 --> 00:35:58,749 a picture on my , in my study , 916 00:35:58,749 --> 00:36:00,860 retirees get to do this . Put it on , 917 00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:03,193 put it on my wall . When I retired , um , 918 00:36:03,193 --> 00:36:05,416 I got this letter . It was signed by 10 919 00:36:05,416 --> 00:36:08,620 senators . And the letter said , 920 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,487 Major General John Cooper violated the 921 00:36:11,487 --> 00:36:13,850 law . It was to the Secretary of the 922 00:36:13,850 --> 00:36:15,969 Air Force and it was signed by 10 923 00:36:15,969 --> 00:36:19,030 senators . I didn't violate the law . 924 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,909 I'm still here I am , right ? Uh , but 925 00:36:21,909 --> 00:36:24,076 we had to , I had to , yeah , it spent 926 00:36:24,076 --> 00:36:26,242 like a month trying to get out of that 927 00:36:26,242 --> 00:36:28,790 knot , but it , it's back to your , so 928 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:31,469 we had to fund the F-35 , right ? So 929 00:36:31,469 --> 00:36:33,525 new weapon system we had to fund the 930 00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,790 F-35 . The plan to fund the F-35 931 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:39,969 was to , for the manpower was to defund , 932 00:36:40,429 --> 00:36:44,239 retire the A-10 . And the , the 933 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,360 manpower was the perfect size for the 934 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,949 first three wings of F-35 . Only what 935 00:36:49,949 --> 00:36:53,469 happened to the A-10 ? It's still here . 936 00:36:53,929 --> 00:36:56,151 We actually are retiring the A-10 while 937 00:36:56,151 --> 00:36:58,262 we're buying new wings for the A-10 . 938 00:36:58,262 --> 00:37:00,262 Go figure . That's , uh , that's in 939 00:37:00,262 --> 00:37:03,620 there . Um , so we had to do . Really 940 00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:07,169 some gymnastics . PCS and people every 941 00:37:07,169 --> 00:37:09,540 6 months from Eglin to Utah . I just 942 00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:11,707 remember this . This was a really hard 943 00:37:11,707 --> 00:37:14,659 one . Eglin to Phoenix to Utah , every 944 00:37:14,659 --> 00:37:17,219 6 months , 7 levels to get , to just to 945 00:37:17,219 --> 00:37:19,441 get , have them stay ahead of the , the 946 00:37:19,441 --> 00:37:21,386 power curve on , on air , things , 947 00:37:21,386 --> 00:37:23,497 things that you're gonna have to do . 948 00:37:23,497 --> 00:37:25,719 Uh , that's just a terrible war story , 949 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,886 but we , we ended up working out . But 950 00:37:27,886 --> 00:37:29,830 the simple truth is sustainment is 951 00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:29,310 always going to pay the , they're just 952 00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:31,477 always gonna pay the bills . So you're 953 00:37:31,477 --> 00:37:33,643 gonna have to , you have to be wary of 954 00:37:33,643 --> 00:37:35,866 that . You gotta , I , that's why I , I 955 00:37:35,866 --> 00:37:37,754 like the log truce or there , you 956 00:37:37,754 --> 00:37:39,810 probably have your own log truth . I 957 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:39,350 encourage you to think through them and , 958 00:37:39,459 --> 00:37:41,626 and wherever your center of excellence 959 00:37:41,626 --> 00:37:44,699 is . Um , but it is just a simple truth 960 00:37:44,699 --> 00:37:46,580 that we're gonna invest in new 961 00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:50,290 capability like F-35 , new ships , 962 00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:53,300 new armor , because it is important for 963 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,199 the safety of our combatants . But we 964 00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,421 have to take the bill . You have to pay 965 00:37:58,421 --> 00:38:00,643 the bill from someplace . It's a finite 966 00:38:00,643 --> 00:38:02,866 bill , and sustainment is the largest . 967 00:38:02,866 --> 00:38:04,921 One of the largest , you know , uh , 968 00:38:04,921 --> 00:38:07,143 budgets that , that , uh , each service 969 00:38:07,143 --> 00:38:09,366 has and TOD has . It's a simple truth . 970 00:38:09,366 --> 00:38:11,532 I , I don't know how to , I don't know 971 00:38:11,532 --> 00:38:11,169 how you get out of it other than to 972 00:38:11,169 --> 00:38:13,620 recognize it , articulate it , and 973 00:38:13,899 --> 00:38:16,939 remember . Uh , so that you can try to 974 00:38:16,939 --> 00:38:19,161 get the , the money , so you can try to 975 00:38:19,161 --> 00:38:21,161 get the funding back . Corollary to 976 00:38:21,161 --> 00:38:24,280 that story . That was my first year as 977 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,447 my , that was when I was a 2-star . My 978 00:38:26,447 --> 00:38:28,447 first year as a 3-star , we got the 979 00:38:28,447 --> 00:38:31,129 manpower funded for F-35 because we had , 980 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,695 we had the defense , we had a way to 981 00:38:33,695 --> 00:38:35,750 provide , you know , the , the , the 982 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:37,639 pain of moving these seven levels 983 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,806 around and moving the people around to 984 00:38:39,806 --> 00:38:42,010 try to keep the F-35 flying . So 985 00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:44,350 remember , you know , prevent , 986 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,489 articulate , remember . I think our 987 00:38:48,489 --> 00:38:50,600 next question will come from a remote 988 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,639 site , sir . I have , uh , it looks 989 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,250 like . From DLA uh here at 990 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,629 headquarters . The question was , uh , 991 00:39:00,570 --> 00:39:02,570 how do you encourage innovation and 992 00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:04,737 calculated risk when the pressures are 993 00:39:04,737 --> 00:39:08,149 low , sir ? Um , 994 00:39:08,919 --> 00:39:12,669 I , uh , I saw everybody remember 995 00:39:12,669 --> 00:39:15,030 Elizabeth Dole back , way back when , a 996 00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:17,030 long time ago . I saw her , she was 997 00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:19,197 Secretary of Transportation and they , 998 00:39:19,197 --> 00:39:18,750 they had an interview with her and I 999 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,917 just , it just stuck with me . I don't 1000 00:39:20,917 --> 00:39:22,694 know why it was a 60 Minutes or 1001 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:22,669 something . And she just said , hey , 1002 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,989 pick your fights . And then win them , 1003 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,739 but don't pick a lot of fights . Um , 1004 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:31,040 when I When I moved into a three-star 1005 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,439 job , uh , one of my , one of my 1006 00:39:33,439 --> 00:39:36,419 soapboxes was IT digital . 1007 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:39,649 I , um , this is every service you 1008 00:39:39,649 --> 00:39:41,705 could , you could , you could retell 1009 00:39:41,705 --> 00:39:43,816 the story , Army , Navy , Air Force , 1010 00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,982 you could , you could tell , but I , I 1011 00:39:45,982 --> 00:39:48,149 went to my two-star and I said , hey , 1012 00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:50,205 how much are we spending on IT . How 1013 00:39:50,205 --> 00:39:52,290 many systems do we have and how much 1014 00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:54,550 are we spending annually ? He said , 1015 00:39:54,610 --> 00:39:58,209 I'll be right back . Like 3 weeks later , 1016 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:01,590 he comes back and he said , we think we 1017 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:03,590 have 300 systems and we think we're 1018 00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:06,899 paying $250 million a year in band-aids . 1019 00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:09,899 Nothing new . I mean , it was just 1020 00:40:09,899 --> 00:40:11,909 everywhere . Everybody , everybody 1021 00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,020 wanted a system , they got a system . 1022 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:16,298 And we , I spent a long time trying to , 1023 00:40:16,298 --> 00:40:18,465 a , let's get a , let's get a holistic 1024 00:40:18,465 --> 00:40:21,810 approach to . The systems , this is 1025 00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:23,921 innovation , right ? It's the systems 1026 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,088 and then retire them , use the funding 1027 00:40:26,088 --> 00:40:28,421 to get good systems , new systems , and , 1028 00:40:28,421 --> 00:40:28,290 and go from there for the , with the 1029 00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:29,568 few systems you have . 1030 00:40:32,739 --> 00:40:35,679 Uh , so that , you know , that , that's , 1031 00:40:35,939 --> 00:40:38,217 uh , you have to focus on the problems . 1032 00:40:38,219 --> 00:40:39,997 And if you , if you pick , uh , 1033 00:40:39,997 --> 00:40:42,052 innovation and , and if you , if you 1034 00:40:42,052 --> 00:40:44,163 pick , you know , if you want to move 1035 00:40:44,163 --> 00:40:44,020 the ball forward , you're gonna have to 1036 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:46,610 pick something . So I , I picked 1037 00:40:46,669 --> 00:40:48,780 innovation , like a digital , digital 1038 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,750 innovation . Uh , I also picked audit 1039 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,489 readiness , bad pick , too hard . 1040 00:40:55,449 --> 00:40:58,969 Uh Uh , and , uh , and , and manpower 1041 00:40:58,969 --> 00:41:01,025 improvement is your first question . 1042 00:41:01,025 --> 00:41:03,080 How do we , how do we make the force 1043 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:02,250 better ? Those are , those are really 1044 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,669 my big three . But you have to focus , 1045 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:06,972 you have to focus on the , because it's 1046 00:41:06,972 --> 00:41:09,028 easy to not to focus on that stuff . 1047 00:41:09,028 --> 00:41:11,194 It's easy to empty your email basket , 1048 00:41:11,194 --> 00:41:13,083 and it's easy to , the , the next 1049 00:41:13,083 --> 00:41:15,250 bright shiny object that comes in your 1050 00:41:15,250 --> 00:41:17,028 in basket , but you gotta force 1051 00:41:17,028 --> 00:41:19,028 yourself as a leader to look at the 1052 00:41:19,028 --> 00:41:21,083 things that are important to you . I 1053 00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:23,139 was really excited to hear the , the 1054 00:41:23,139 --> 00:41:22,709 stuff that you're talking about with 1055 00:41:22,709 --> 00:41:24,765 the general , with the , that you're 1056 00:41:24,765 --> 00:41:26,876 implementing with your , with your AI 1057 00:41:26,876 --> 00:41:29,209 for forecasting , which is cutting edge . 1058 00:41:29,209 --> 00:41:31,431 We're talking about this , uh , I don't 1059 00:41:31,431 --> 00:41:33,431 even want to talk about digital . I 1060 00:41:33,431 --> 00:41:35,487 just got . We're not even , I mean , 1061 00:41:35,487 --> 00:41:37,709 inside the Air Force , the stuff that I 1062 00:41:37,709 --> 00:41:39,820 was battling there , we've made a lot 1063 00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:39,455 of good progress , but some things 1064 00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:41,622 aren't even fielded yet , you know , 8 1065 00:41:41,622 --> 00:41:43,844 years later , where this , I think what 1066 00:41:43,844 --> 00:41:46,066 you're doing is gonna really , it's not 1067 00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:48,122 spiral , it's just continuous change 1068 00:41:48,122 --> 00:41:50,122 and improvement with the , with the 1069 00:41:50,122 --> 00:41:49,445 digital , which I think is a great , 1070 00:41:49,574 --> 00:41:51,518 great initiative , great way to go 1071 00:41:51,518 --> 00:41:55,330 forward . Got one over on 1072 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:59,169 this side , sir . Sir 1073 00:41:59,169 --> 00:42:02,129 Oran Harrison with the J3 , just wanted 1074 00:42:02,129 --> 00:42:04,462 to touch on your crib method again . Um , 1075 00:42:04,462 --> 00:42:06,518 it seems as if it's based around the 1076 00:42:06,518 --> 00:42:08,351 resiliency initiative , with the 1077 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:10,129 conversation being based on the 1078 00:42:10,129 --> 00:42:12,129 offseason and traditional logistics 1079 00:42:12,129 --> 00:42:14,018 models being based on , uh , cost 1080 00:42:14,018 --> 00:42:16,129 efficient efficiency . Do you believe 1081 00:42:16,129 --> 00:42:18,073 there's a way to balance both , or 1082 00:42:18,073 --> 00:42:20,296 should one take priority over the other 1083 00:42:20,296 --> 00:42:22,296 in a downtime period ? Oh , I think 1084 00:42:22,296 --> 00:42:24,573 there's a way to balance both . I mean , 1085 00:42:24,573 --> 00:42:26,518 so if you were to , if , if you're 1086 00:42:26,518 --> 00:42:26,300 looking , if the first thing you got to 1087 00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,409 do is understand the Understand the 1088 00:42:29,409 --> 00:42:32,350 system . What is in the what industry 1089 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,959 capabilities are in the Pacific and in 1090 00:42:34,959 --> 00:42:37,070 Europe ? I , I submit we don't know . 1091 00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:39,199 DOD does not know . DOS DOW does not 1092 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,080 know . Because there hasn't been a 1093 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,840 forum to poll . Industry together 1094 00:42:47,489 --> 00:42:51,139 to form a crib . You know , to 1095 00:42:51,139 --> 00:42:53,306 understand what capabilities are there 1096 00:42:53,306 --> 00:42:56,260 and then what What is , I'll use DLA , 1097 00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:58,340 but what is , you know , any of the 1098 00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:01,080 services and DLA , what are , what are 1099 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,459 you spending in that AOR that you don't 1100 00:43:03,459 --> 00:43:05,409 have to spend because you can use 1101 00:43:05,409 --> 00:43:07,631 industry ? I think there's trade-offs . 1102 00:43:07,631 --> 00:43:09,687 I don't , I don't think it's , I , I 1103 00:43:09,687 --> 00:43:11,687 don't think it'll be . It would , I 1104 00:43:11,687 --> 00:43:11,000 don't think it would be cost additive . 1105 00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:13,004 I think it would be cost neutral , 1106 00:43:13,004 --> 00:43:15,439 reapportioning the funds , reallocating 1107 00:43:15,439 --> 00:43:18,459 the requirement . Um , example . 1108 00:43:19,459 --> 00:43:23,010 Um We have warehouses in Australia , 1109 00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:26,649 New Zealand , Japan , Korea , Singapore . 1110 00:43:27,929 --> 00:43:30,151 That we're because we are predominantly 1111 00:43:30,151 --> 00:43:32,629 a commercial company . We're 75% 1112 00:43:32,629 --> 00:43:34,949 commercial . So we're servicing 1113 00:43:34,949 --> 00:43:38,600 airlines . All over the Pacific . But a 1114 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,767 warehouse is a warehouse and a part is 1115 00:43:40,767 --> 00:43:42,989 a part , and a shipment is a shipment , 1116 00:43:42,989 --> 00:43:45,211 and distribution line is a distribution 1117 00:43:45,211 --> 00:43:44,639 line , and it's , and it's on an air , 1118 00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:47,080 and it's at an air hub . So why 1119 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,302 wouldn't you use a capability like that 1120 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,477 for forward stocking , forward storing ? 1121 00:43:52,629 --> 00:43:54,796 Because there's a lot that even when I 1122 00:43:54,796 --> 00:43:56,962 was on active duty , I , there's , I'm 1123 00:43:56,962 --> 00:43:58,962 sure , I don't know , again , I'm a 1124 00:43:58,962 --> 00:43:58,360 retiree , I don't know these things , 1125 00:43:58,439 --> 00:44:00,606 but I'm sure there's initiatives to do 1126 00:44:00,606 --> 00:44:02,661 the hide in plain sight . You know , 1127 00:44:02,661 --> 00:44:04,828 WRM out there where you don't know . I 1128 00:44:04,828 --> 00:44:06,883 mean , why not , why not think about 1129 00:44:06,883 --> 00:44:08,828 that , get industry to commit on a 1130 00:44:08,828 --> 00:44:11,739 contract . Now they're excited . Back 1131 00:44:11,739 --> 00:44:13,795 to your question . There's , there's 1132 00:44:13,795 --> 00:44:15,961 funding , not a lot , peacetime , keep 1133 00:44:15,961 --> 00:44:18,139 it warm , and when it has to surge , 1134 00:44:18,419 --> 00:44:20,669 they buy more warehouses and you , you 1135 00:44:20,669 --> 00:44:22,836 spend more money to , for , you know , 1136 00:44:22,836 --> 00:44:24,891 you pay them more to store the stuff 1137 00:44:24,891 --> 00:44:26,780 and away you go . It's a , it's a 1138 00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:28,891 system that I think it's just , we're 1139 00:44:28,891 --> 00:44:28,300 not making it up . It's the craft and 1140 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:30,522 the maritime and the , the land force , 1141 00:44:30,522 --> 00:44:32,522 uh , system . I think , I think , I 1142 00:44:32,522 --> 00:44:34,578 think there's a trade-off that's not 1143 00:44:34,578 --> 00:44:36,800 cost additive , probably closer to cost 1144 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,659 neutral . Um , I have a 1145 00:44:40,659 --> 00:44:43,979 question . Um , Tikuil with ERM . So I 1146 00:44:43,979 --> 00:44:46,090 know you was talking about what is in 1147 00:44:46,090 --> 00:44:48,201 the other areas . Have we looked into 1148 00:44:48,201 --> 00:44:50,620 the army ? Um , which is one of the 1149 00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:52,860 components is having state partnership 1150 00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:55,939 with other countries to identify how we 1151 00:44:55,939 --> 00:44:58,780 can best suit our needs or become 1152 00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:01,002 partners and understand what we need in 1153 00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,320 order to be successful in those areas . 1154 00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:05,669 No , I , I've been working solely 1155 00:45:05,669 --> 00:45:07,724 aviation . I got to admit , I mean , 1156 00:45:07,724 --> 00:45:09,891 I'm in an aviation company . We're not 1157 00:45:09,891 --> 00:45:09,860 in a , we're not in a land-based or 1158 00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:12,219 maritime-based company , so it's been 1159 00:45:12,219 --> 00:45:15,330 really aviation . Um , but I think it's 1160 00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:18,129 like , I , I , I would just have to 1161 00:45:18,129 --> 00:45:20,018 think there's the same , the same 1162 00:45:20,018 --> 00:45:22,320 issues that challenge . The air 1163 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,653 component challenge the naval component , 1164 00:45:24,653 --> 00:45:26,764 the maritime component , and the land 1165 00:45:26,764 --> 00:45:28,487 component , and you could have 1166 00:45:28,487 --> 00:45:30,598 capability out there . There's got to 1167 00:45:30,598 --> 00:45:32,820 be a Raytheon out there . And , I don't 1168 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:34,876 know what Raytheon's footprint looks 1169 00:45:34,876 --> 00:45:37,042 like , but I'll use them as an example 1170 00:45:37,042 --> 00:45:36,350 because they're , they're a world 1171 00:45:36,350 --> 00:45:38,572 global company , big , big , big , uh , 1172 00:45:38,572 --> 00:45:41,219 big , big industry in the army . Um , 1173 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,522 there's gotta be a , um , an op there's 1174 00:45:43,522 --> 00:45:45,850 gotta be capabilities they have in 1175 00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:48,750 Paycom , in UCcom , um , maybe 1176 00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:50,972 Caterpillar , you know , Caterpillar is 1177 00:45:50,972 --> 00:45:53,139 global . Caterpillar does a lot of , a 1178 00:45:53,139 --> 00:45:55,361 lot of support equipment for the army . 1179 00:45:55,361 --> 00:45:57,194 Um , maybe they , maybe they got 1180 00:45:57,194 --> 00:45:59,361 something , but I think this is , this 1181 00:45:59,361 --> 00:46:01,528 is a worthy . It's a worthy discussion 1182 00:46:01,528 --> 00:46:03,750 to have to start asking the questions , 1183 00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:03,449 but you first got to start with a map 1184 00:46:03,629 --> 00:46:05,685 and start putting pins in the map on 1185 00:46:05,685 --> 00:46:07,851 what do I , what do I have where ? You 1186 00:46:07,851 --> 00:46:10,018 know , I could bring my AR map and the 1187 00:46:10,018 --> 00:46:12,073 Raytheon guy could bring his map and 1188 00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:12,020 the others can , and you can , and then 1189 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:14,131 DOD could decide this is important or 1190 00:46:14,131 --> 00:46:16,409 not important , uh , and go from there . 1191 00:46:19,389 --> 00:46:21,278 Got one down here in the middle . 1192 00:46:27,219 --> 00:46:29,108 Yes sir , for the , uh , regional 1193 00:46:29,108 --> 00:46:31,275 sustainment framework , if you have an 1194 00:46:31,275 --> 00:46:33,497 overhaul that has to be done , say , in 1195 00:46:33,497 --> 00:46:35,649 a foreign company , foreign country . 1196 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,219 And that overhaul requires parts . 1197 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:43,199 Where do those parts come from ? Who 1198 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,189 pays for them Who conducts the quality 1199 00:46:46,189 --> 00:46:49,389 assurance on them . The parts come from 1200 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:51,830 the United States , is it inefficient 1201 00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:55,389 to fly them or to ship them to the 1202 00:46:55,389 --> 00:46:57,909 point of the overhaul . If they come 1203 00:46:57,909 --> 00:47:00,810 from Some other country , doesn't that 1204 00:47:00,810 --> 00:47:04,340 hurt the business model for our 1205 00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:08,330 contracts in the US ? Uh , I mean , it 1206 00:47:08,330 --> 00:47:11,850 depends on how you look at it , um . I 1207 00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:15,300 would say so again aviation 1208 00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:19,340 so the the our I I know I'll use my 1209 00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:21,229 company just because that's I got 1210 00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:24,350 experience there so overhaul , um . 1211 00:47:25,850 --> 00:47:28,260 Flight controls in the cells and that 1212 00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:30,600 type of thing on commercial airplanes , 1213 00:47:30,659 --> 00:47:31,659 only commercial . 1214 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,790 Um , could that , could that be 1215 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,139 beneficial for the C40 program , the 1216 00:47:39,139 --> 00:47:42,810 KC-135 program , the KC-46 program in 1217 00:47:42,810 --> 00:47:45,909 time of war ? To have some type of 1218 00:47:45,909 --> 00:47:48,870 capability for repairing those parts so 1219 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:51,229 they can be rapidly turned . Again , 1220 00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:53,717 right now you've got an ecosystem this 1221 00:47:53,717 --> 00:47:55,383 big . Now you've got an extra 1222 00:47:55,383 --> 00:47:57,494 capability , so you , you have more , 1223 00:47:57,494 --> 00:48:01,250 more repair locations . Um , and 1224 00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:03,520 you , the way that you , in the crib , 1225 00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:05,681 you would give some work , you know , 1226 00:48:05,681 --> 00:48:09,290 uh , keep a production line open . Send 1227 00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:13,090 some KC-46 parts to this location to be 1228 00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:15,989 overhauled . In the inside the same 1229 00:48:15,989 --> 00:48:18,156 system , so most commercial derivative 1230 00:48:18,156 --> 00:48:19,822 stuff , especially commercial 1231 00:48:19,822 --> 00:48:21,933 derivative stuff , is not gonna be in 1232 00:48:21,933 --> 00:48:23,989 the , in the Navy , Army , Air Force 1233 00:48:23,989 --> 00:48:26,100 supply systems . It's gonna be , um , 1234 00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,267 usually contracted out anyway . But if 1235 00:48:28,267 --> 00:48:30,267 it's in there , you just , you just 1236 00:48:30,267 --> 00:48:32,267 reapportion it from , you manage it 1237 00:48:32,267 --> 00:48:34,500 from Warner Robins . For another repair 1238 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:38,330 location in X country . Um , or if 1239 00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:40,441 you're Caterpillar , you're doing the 1240 00:48:40,441 --> 00:48:42,441 same thing , you're overhauling the 1241 00:48:42,441 --> 00:48:46,280 bulldozer . In the country , so you 1242 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,447 don't have to ship that bulldozer back 1243 00:48:48,447 --> 00:48:50,447 or whatever , whatever parts you're 1244 00:48:50,447 --> 00:48:52,669 looking for back . You're just , you're 1245 00:48:52,669 --> 00:48:54,558 just reallocating the , the , the 1246 00:48:54,558 --> 00:48:56,613 workload , if you will . Again , not 1247 00:48:56,613 --> 00:48:58,669 large enough to keep it warm so that 1248 00:48:58,669 --> 00:49:00,947 when you really got a surge , when you , 1249 00:49:00,947 --> 00:49:03,002 when , when Korea was , would really 1250 00:49:03,002 --> 00:49:05,224 happen , you'd have the opportunity for 1251 00:49:05,224 --> 00:49:07,336 those bulldozers , you know , to be , 1252 00:49:07,336 --> 00:49:09,280 to be , stay in the fight longer . 1253 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,224 Again , this all has to be thought 1254 00:49:11,224 --> 00:49:13,447 through in terms of how many bulldozers 1255 00:49:13,447 --> 00:49:15,613 do I need , uh , you know , what's the 1256 00:49:15,613 --> 00:49:17,891 repair concept for the bulldozer , etc . 1257 00:49:17,891 --> 00:49:20,340 etc . um , but I , it's , it's , it's a , 1258 00:49:20,419 --> 00:49:24,399 it's an idea that is , uh , is on 1259 00:49:24,409 --> 00:49:27,739 how to , it's , it's how it's 1260 00:49:27,739 --> 00:49:29,906 essentially how industry works when we 1261 00:49:29,906 --> 00:49:31,906 looked at when we open up another . 1262 00:49:31,906 --> 00:49:34,639 Another aviation hub in my company , I 1263 00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:36,972 watched my company do it . They do that , 1264 00:49:36,972 --> 00:49:39,028 they basically take , they take some 1265 00:49:39,028 --> 00:49:41,195 workload from this location , they put 1266 00:49:41,195 --> 00:49:43,306 it over there . The , the CFO manages 1267 00:49:43,306 --> 00:49:45,528 the money , washes the money through so 1268 00:49:45,528 --> 00:49:47,639 that you got equal work , uh , and so 1269 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:50,260 forth . Because even inside of 1270 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:52,260 companies , there's a lot of P&Ls . 1271 00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:54,260 Those P&Ls all compete against each 1272 00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:56,204 other , just like , just like many 1273 00:49:56,204 --> 00:49:59,189 companies . Sir , this is from uh DLAHQ . 1274 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:01,583 We've talked about innovation . We 1275 00:50:01,583 --> 00:50:05,030 talked about uh weapons systems and 1276 00:50:05,330 --> 00:50:07,552 aircraft and things of that nature . So 1277 00:50:07,552 --> 00:50:09,663 from your experience we have a lot of 1278 00:50:09,663 --> 00:50:11,830 leaders in the room , the who's who of 1279 00:50:11,830 --> 00:50:13,830 the agencies here in the building . 1280 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:15,830 What mistakes do leaders most often 1281 00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:18,050 make during periods of lower 1282 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:21,929 operational pressure ? Well , uh , 1283 00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:24,050 first I would like to say I already 1284 00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:26,106 think I already covered , there's no 1285 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:25,810 such thing as low operational pressure 1286 00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:27,810 at DLA , so I think that's , that's 1287 00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:31,350 pretty fair , um , but . Uh , 1288 00:50:31,919 --> 00:50:34,699 again , I , I'm a , I'm a simple guy . 1289 00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:37,981 I went to a mediocre business college 1290 00:50:37,981 --> 00:50:41,419 in South Carolina . Um , I like to 1291 00:50:41,919 --> 00:50:44,760 plan my work and work my plan , you 1292 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,927 know , like I , every , and Dave and I 1293 00:50:46,927 --> 00:50:49,038 have worked on this before . I mean , 1294 00:50:49,038 --> 00:50:48,959 I'll , every year I'll say this is the 1295 00:50:48,959 --> 00:50:51,070 stuff I'm gonna focus on , and then I 1296 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:53,292 just go back to it every week I go back 1297 00:50:53,292 --> 00:50:55,515 to it . That , that I , I don't , and , 1298 00:50:55,515 --> 00:50:57,515 and maybe I'm just , I , I might be 1299 00:50:57,515 --> 00:50:59,737 naive in this regard , but I don't know 1300 00:50:59,737 --> 00:51:01,681 if you don't , if you don't have a 1301 00:51:01,681 --> 00:51:05,260 bedrock . List of a a small list of 1302 00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:07,419 things that you wanna get done , and 1303 00:51:07,419 --> 00:51:09,308 you keep on going back to it in a 1304 00:51:09,308 --> 00:51:11,419 relentless trying to move it , you're 1305 00:51:11,419 --> 00:51:13,475 never gonna move the ball . I mean , 1306 00:51:13,475 --> 00:51:13,260 you're , you're , you know , I , I 1307 00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,482 started with this , I started with this 1308 00:51:15,482 --> 00:51:17,959 early . Your job , your , your , you 1309 00:51:17,959 --> 00:51:20,070 can consider it a success if on the 1310 00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:22,403 last day of your job , you've made your , 1311 00:51:22,403 --> 00:51:24,514 your organization better than the day 1312 00:51:24,514 --> 00:51:26,737 you left . It's not always the case . I 1313 00:51:26,737 --> 00:51:28,848 mean , if you do a , you get , you've 1314 00:51:28,848 --> 00:51:27,800 all been around , especially the 1315 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,689 military have been , have been to 1316 00:51:29,689 --> 00:51:31,800 various locations , you go to a short 1317 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,911 tour or something , you're hanging on 1318 00:51:33,911 --> 00:51:36,133 for dear life . Um , but you , you just 1319 00:51:36,133 --> 00:51:38,244 try to make the organization better , 1320 00:51:38,244 --> 00:51:40,244 but you got to focus . You can't be 1321 00:51:40,244 --> 00:51:42,189 focused on everything . You got to 1322 00:51:42,189 --> 00:51:44,356 focus on a , a short , small handful , 1323 00:51:44,356 --> 00:51:43,409 you know , a handful of things . So 1324 00:51:43,409 --> 00:51:46,330 what's most important to you in the job 1325 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:49,300 you have . And then focus on it . 1326 00:51:50,729 --> 00:51:52,729 That would be my , that would be my 1327 00:51:52,729 --> 00:51:54,562 advice . Thanks for that , sir , 1328 00:51:54,562 --> 00:51:56,729 because one of the other questions was 1329 00:51:56,729 --> 00:51:56,419 about habits . So you've given a good 1330 00:51:56,419 --> 00:51:58,899 habit to the folks in the room , sir . 1331 00:51:59,149 --> 00:52:01,409 So back to Jake . Yeah , I suspect , I 1332 00:52:01,409 --> 00:52:03,298 suspect all the leaders got great 1333 00:52:03,298 --> 00:52:05,353 habits . I mean , you're not in your 1334 00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:05,139 jobs if you don't , if you don't have 1335 00:52:05,139 --> 00:52:07,361 good work habits , you know , waking up 1336 00:52:07,361 --> 00:52:11,090 at 5 , going to the gym . Checking the 1337 00:52:11,090 --> 00:52:13,146 email , bang , you know , banging it 1338 00:52:13,146 --> 00:52:15,423 out . You , you do more but , you know , 1339 00:52:15,423 --> 00:52:17,534 what's that , that whole army thing , 1340 00:52:17,534 --> 00:52:19,812 you do more by 8 o'clock and it's true . 1341 00:52:19,812 --> 00:52:21,812 It's true . I'm industry now , it's 1342 00:52:21,812 --> 00:52:20,949 definitely true . 1343 00:52:28,629 --> 00:52:30,796 Do we have any more online questions , 1344 00:52:30,796 --> 00:52:32,073 Colin ? No , I don't . 1345 00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:41,717 Good afternoon , Sir . James Johnson , 1346 00:52:41,717 --> 00:52:43,717 program executive officer . In your 1347 00:52:43,717 --> 00:52:45,717 reflections on 2018 , you mentioned 1348 00:52:45,717 --> 00:52:47,772 about measuring the wrong thing . To 1349 00:52:47,772 --> 00:52:50,270 that point , how do you set the tone in 1350 00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:52,350 times of calm to say , are we still 1351 00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,350 measuring the right thing ? Because 1352 00:52:54,350 --> 00:52:56,294 we're really good at measuring the 1353 00:52:56,294 --> 00:52:58,406 thing , but not necessarily is it the 1354 00:52:58,406 --> 00:53:00,628 right thing . Yeah . Yeah , we , we had 1355 00:53:00,628 --> 00:53:02,899 a , um , that , that , it's hard . It's 1356 00:53:02,899 --> 00:53:05,177 hard to do that , frankly , especially , 1357 00:53:05,177 --> 00:53:07,510 I mean , I'm looking at DLA , it's just , 1358 00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:09,788 again , the scope , scale , complexity , 1359 00:53:09,949 --> 00:53:12,171 what is most important . I think you're 1360 00:53:12,171 --> 00:53:14,171 organizationally aligned with , you 1361 00:53:14,171 --> 00:53:16,060 know , fuels and distribution and 1362 00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:15,860 everything , you know , what you got , 1363 00:53:15,989 --> 00:53:18,211 AA , you know , that , that's important 1364 00:53:18,211 --> 00:53:20,211 stuff . But what's important inside 1365 00:53:20,211 --> 00:53:22,100 those circles , that's , that's , 1366 00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,267 that's hard . That's hard to do . We , 1367 00:53:24,267 --> 00:53:26,433 we sat down , this is a , just another 1368 00:53:26,433 --> 00:53:28,545 memory , just uh , you know , we , We 1369 00:53:28,545 --> 00:53:30,711 sat down in 20 . General Federer , who 1370 00:53:30,711 --> 00:53:32,878 was the A4 before me , had a strategic 1371 00:53:32,878 --> 00:53:34,822 planning effort and I kind of hate 1372 00:53:34,822 --> 00:53:36,878 strategic planning efforts frankly , 1373 00:53:36,878 --> 00:53:38,767 because you , you end up with a 3 1374 00:53:38,767 --> 00:53:40,822 volume book that nobody reads . Um , 1375 00:53:40,822 --> 00:53:42,989 that's one mentorship thing I'd say if 1376 00:53:42,989 --> 00:53:45,211 your strategy is longer than one page , 1377 00:53:45,211 --> 00:53:47,100 one PowerPoint presentation , one 1378 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:47,040 PowerPoint presentation longer than 1379 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,262 that , throw it out , start again . One 1380 00:53:49,262 --> 00:53:52,550 posi one PowerPoint presentation . But 1381 00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:54,790 she had a , she had brought all her 1382 00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:57,929 goal was to get one page . Brought 1383 00:53:57,929 --> 00:54:00,207 everybody in and we were just debating , 1384 00:54:00,207 --> 00:54:02,649 cussing and discussing what's important 1385 00:54:02,649 --> 00:54:04,538 and , and , and , uh , one of our 1386 00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:07,183 fellow generals stood up and said , hey , 1387 00:54:07,183 --> 00:54:10,469 the main thing is the main thing . We 1388 00:54:10,469 --> 00:54:12,525 fly and fix airplanes . It's no more 1389 00:54:12,525 --> 00:54:14,525 difficult than that . And everybody 1390 00:54:14,525 --> 00:54:16,580 kind of went like , oh , shoot , you 1391 00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:18,913 know , the main thing is the main thing . 1392 00:54:18,913 --> 00:54:18,310 It's that's , it's , it's like that 1393 00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:20,366 simple . It's not , I'd love to give 1394 00:54:20,366 --> 00:54:22,477 you an elegant answer . Again , I'm a 1395 00:54:22,477 --> 00:54:24,699 simple guy . The main thing is the main 1396 00:54:24,699 --> 00:54:26,643 thing . Whatever you're doing , if 1397 00:54:26,643 --> 00:54:28,866 you're , if you're in DLA Energy , your 1398 00:54:28,866 --> 00:54:30,810 fuels , I mean , the main thing is 1399 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:32,866 moving that fuel to the warfighter . 1400 00:54:32,866 --> 00:54:35,189 That's the main thing . There's a 1401 00:54:35,189 --> 00:54:38,520 million important things . A million 1402 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,520 important things inside of that . I 1403 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,631 don't want to make that sound trivial 1404 00:54:42,631 --> 00:54:44,853 because I've worked with DLA aviation . 1405 00:54:44,853 --> 00:54:47,379 Or DBA energy in aviation . But it's 1406 00:54:47,379 --> 00:54:49,546 all important . But what is the most , 1407 00:54:49,546 --> 00:54:51,546 what's the main thing ? What is the 1408 00:54:51,546 --> 00:54:53,712 main thing ? That , that'll drive your 1409 00:54:53,712 --> 00:54:56,520 log of truths , the main thing . And 1410 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,520 again , these aren't , these aren't 1411 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,520 cast in stone . I think they should 1412 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,464 evolve over time and , and I think 1413 00:55:02,464 --> 00:55:04,631 you've probably got different ones and 1414 00:55:04,631 --> 00:55:06,687 you should think about them . That's 1415 00:55:06,687 --> 00:55:06,120 what I'm , I'm challenging you to think 1416 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,939 about them . Sir , we 1417 00:55:09,939 --> 00:55:11,828 have time for one last question . 1418 00:55:16,209 --> 00:55:18,153 General Summerly , over to you for 1419 00:55:18,153 --> 00:55:20,265 closing remarks a question actually , 1420 00:55:20,265 --> 00:55:22,265 uh , so your , your logistics truth 1421 00:55:22,265 --> 00:55:24,376 about uh accurate requirements , uh , 1422 00:55:24,376 --> 00:55:26,639 drives effective , uh , support . Can 1423 00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,306 you give us some lessons on . 1424 00:55:29,689 --> 00:55:31,745 Developing requirements so that they 1425 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,745 are accurate and what's required in 1426 00:55:33,745 --> 00:55:35,745 order to do that . Yes , sir . We , 1427 00:55:35,745 --> 00:55:37,967 that , that is the , that is the , that 1428 00:55:37,967 --> 00:55:40,899 is the chalice . If , if you can figure 1429 00:55:40,899 --> 00:55:43,066 that out in our conversation , say , I 1430 00:55:43,066 --> 00:55:45,177 think you're onto it , thinking about 1431 00:55:45,177 --> 00:55:45,060 the way you're , you're thinking about 1432 00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:47,540 it because accurate requirements equal 1433 00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:50,000 effective logistics . You know , the 1434 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,944 real stat aside , you got to guard 1435 00:55:51,944 --> 00:55:55,919 against that . Um , but how in our 1436 00:55:55,919 --> 00:55:58,080 world , first of all , I , so again , 1437 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,070 my company is 3/4 . Um , commercial 1438 00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:05,229 aviation , OK , we overhaul , uh , over 1439 00:56:05,229 --> 00:56:08,270 1000 airplanes per year , United , 1440 00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:10,739 Delta , Southwest , those kinds of 1441 00:56:10,739 --> 00:56:12,850 airplanes , and then we have military 1442 00:56:12,850 --> 00:56:15,689 airplanes . They're cranking airplanes 1443 00:56:15,689 --> 00:56:19,500 out in 35 days . 35 days 1444 00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:22,699 Our military airplanes are taking 250 1445 00:56:22,699 --> 00:56:25,139 days . And they're like , why , how , 1446 00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:27,540 why , how do you do this ? Why is this 1447 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,651 wrong ? And then my CEO is looking at 1448 00:56:29,651 --> 00:56:31,984 me , Cooper , how come it takes so long ? 1449 00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:35,080 Well , the He doesn't like me telling 1450 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,800 him this . But Southwest Airlines . 1451 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:42,560 Gets higher The house is smaller . The 1452 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,010 house is bigger . Lands at the same 1453 00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:48,360 route every time . It's , uh , and it's , 1454 00:56:48,439 --> 00:56:50,679 it is difficult , 35 , you know , to 1455 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,901 get the commercial side out . I'm not , 1456 00:56:52,901 --> 00:56:54,957 I don't want to trivialize that work 1457 00:56:54,957 --> 00:56:57,479 because that is hard , hard work . But 1458 00:56:57,479 --> 00:57:00,080 the government work just changes , so 1459 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,030 the requirements piece . Is , is the , 1460 00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:05,126 is the big challenge for you because 1461 00:57:05,669 --> 00:57:08,949 I'm sure you expended . More material 1462 00:57:09,449 --> 00:57:11,560 last month or earlier this month than 1463 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,169 you planned . Right , you had to It's 1464 00:57:15,169 --> 00:57:17,113 just , it's just the nature of the 1465 00:57:17,113 --> 00:57:19,225 business . But having said that , the 1466 00:57:19,225 --> 00:57:21,391 math , the math is the math . You just 1467 00:57:21,391 --> 00:57:23,613 gotta keep on working at the math , and 1468 00:57:23,613 --> 00:57:23,209 I think these new technologies are 1469 00:57:23,209 --> 00:57:25,431 gonna be really helpful for you because 1470 00:57:25,431 --> 00:57:27,250 it , it learns over time . The 1471 00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:29,139 challenge , I think , is gonna be 1472 00:57:29,139 --> 00:57:31,989 getting industry to respond in time . 1473 00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:34,146 So it's not , how do you shrink that 1474 00:57:34,146 --> 00:57:36,800 oodle loop . So once the AI says I need 1475 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,929 12 , not 8 , you're getting those extra 1476 00:57:39,929 --> 00:57:42,610 4 , not 500 days from now , but earlier 1477 00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:44,777 when you need it . But that's , that's 1478 00:57:44,777 --> 00:57:46,332 the . I guess that's in the 1479 00:57:46,332 --> 00:57:48,560 requirements loop . But I think that's 1480 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,820 a challenge . I , I don't really have a 1481 00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:52,987 good answer , but I think that's the , 1482 00:57:52,987 --> 00:57:55,209 you , you guys are getting at it in the 1483 00:57:55,209 --> 00:57:57,153 right direction , so . All right , 1484 00:57:57,153 --> 00:57:59,098 General Summerly , over to you for 1485 00:57:59,098 --> 00:58:01,153 closing remarks . All right , can we 1486 00:58:01,153 --> 00:58:03,209 have a big hand for General Cooper ? 1487 00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:08,620 Thank you . So some tremendous 1488 00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:11,020 insights from an experienced war 1489 00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:13,659 fighter and logistician , and I thought 1490 00:58:13,659 --> 00:58:15,881 was really powerful for this , not only 1491 00:58:15,881 --> 00:58:18,103 the insights that he gained in his time 1492 00:58:18,103 --> 00:58:20,340 over 35 years in uniform , but also 1493 00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:22,562 what he gained from his time since he's 1494 00:58:22,562 --> 00:58:24,784 been out on the commercial side looking 1495 00:58:24,784 --> 00:58:27,007 at the military but constantly focusing 1496 00:58:27,007 --> 00:58:29,229 on military readiness . So sir , thanks 1497 00:58:29,229 --> 00:58:31,173 for taking time out from your busy 1498 00:58:31,173 --> 00:58:30,820 schedule to join us . It's really been 1499 00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:33,042 a valuable hour for us . Thank you very 1500 00:58:33,042 --> 00:58:35,250 much . Appreciate it . Thanks . This 1501 00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,901 morning I'm doing . I have a , I have a 1502 00:58:37,901 --> 00:58:41,850 kid . Ladies 1503 00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:44,229 and gentlemen , this concludes today's 1504 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:46,396 warfighter talk . Please take a moment 1505 00:58:46,396 --> 00:58:48,340 to complete our survey for today's 1506 00:58:48,340 --> 00:58:50,396 event by scanning the QR code on the 1507 00:58:50,396 --> 00:58:52,618 screen . For those who missed this live 1508 00:58:52,618 --> 00:58:54,729 event , a link to the full video will 1509 00:58:54,729 --> 00:58:56,840 be posted to the Campaign of Learning 1510 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,729 website . 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